AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Tiger Stripes]

Yep. I think his wife may hold the key to the entire thing. Would love to know what she is saying as to where he was that night.

BTW I love your avatar. Beagles are my all time favorite dogs. Cutie.

Totally agree that AG may have some key information... ("may" being the operative word here). IF (big "if") AG does, indeed, know certain things, how difficult would it be for her to join her siblings in making of the two videos? Talk about mixed feelings...

 

[Cassie P]

RSBM
If SIL suddenly came into a lot of money, and used it to pay off a lot of secret dodgy debt, I doubt if anyone would know.

Do we know if family members have a lot of large debt? And how much debt is it?

 

[Napoli]

Maybe its not so much the church caller, but the amount of time it took for AG and TC to get over to Nancy's from wherever they were that morning, or what they were doing in the morning doesn't quite line up in the timeline that's causing issues. So the call itself is fine, the amount of time AG and TC were at Nancy's house before they called 911 is fine, but what happened between the church call and getting to Nancy's house still needs some smoothing out.

why? THEY GOT THE CALL, 11 ISH. THEY GOT DRESSED. GOT IN THE CAR. DROVE TO HOUSE. SEARCHED INSIDE AND OUT. MAYBE MADE A CALL OR 2. CALLED COPS AT 1158. JEEZE. JMO

 

[Curiousobserver]

ok! While profiling to me seems like being a mind reader, I will jump in. WILLING TO USE FORCE. COMFORTABLE WORKING IN THE NIGHTTIME. MOTIVATED BY CONTROL, ROBBERY OR REMOVAL OF A WITNESS. FAMILIAR WITH THE ENVIRONMENT AND VICTIM'S ROUTINES. DID NOT ACT ALONE.

The problem with criminal profiling is that it rests on the premise that similar crimes are committed by similar criminal personalities or people with similar backgrounds. IMHO this has been proven to be false.

https://doi.org/10.1177/0004865814530732

 

[BrittMontero]

Someone mentioned that TC went to the bar after dropping off NG. Do we have a source for that information?

 

[shonyakay]

Let today be THE day... for truth, for justice, for Nancy.

 

[Chainspell]

why? THEY GOT THE CALL, 11 ISH. THEY GOT DRESSED. GOT IN THE CAR. DROVE TO HOUSE. SEARCHED INSIDE AND OUT. MAYBE MADE A CALL OR 2. CALLED COPS AT 1158. JEEZE. JMO

? We don't know what happened between the call and getting to Nancy's house. I was just talking in a hypothetical why LE removed the call from the timeline. Call might not be the problem (especially since it shows up in the filing for the confirmed hoax), but something with in between receiving the call and showing up at Nancy's might not be adding up, so they removed the call from the public timeline while they try to sort it out by investigating. JMO.

 

[Napoli]

What are these basing her sister being in debt on?

I have seen nothing, zilch, zero, nada, that shows AG and TC are in any debt. Furthermore, this theory has been discussed to a point that posters are now believing their own hype.

 

[BigCityAccountant1]

Just jumping onto this as it made me think- what if the first part of the message wasn't for the perp(s), but for NG herself. Perhaps the second note contained some sort of message from her to prove life, and the family are acknowledging that by saying 'we received your message and we understand'?

Or perhaps the perp said in the 2nd message, you know I can't provide proof of life because XY or Z. XY or Z being that would give away my location or who I am and I am not willing to take that chance, but as of right now she's alive. Would perfectly make sense with SG's statement. "we got your message, and we understand".

 

[TristanP]

Chief Executive said solution is imminent. Interesting choice of words.

Psychiatry calls interesting choices of words such as these "word salad."

A word salad is a "confused or unintelligible mixture of seemingly random words and phrases", most often used to describe a symptom of a neurological or mental disorder. Often, the person is unaware that they did not make sense.

In response, clinicians often maintain a calm, patient demeanor, echoing or validating the person's feelings rather than focusing on the incoherence.

 

[shonyakay]

If it turns out that the ransom letter is a hoax then whomever the author(s) are deserve the same punishment as the one(s) who harmed Nancy for conflating this investigation and possibly impeding subsequent prosecution.

If they aren't one(s) in the same.

 

[Cassie P]

Excellent post. Reasons why I'm skeptical of him - doing this for money makes no sense. Without a body there could not be a payout for a long time, longer than if they just waited for her to pass (sorry to be indelicate).

So that leads me to an argument of some sort - if it was spur of the moment and he removed the body, there would likely be traces of it somewhere and cell phone evidence, and the FBI would surely have recovered that by now. I think we'd see him in custody or at least being held for lengthy interviews.

I can't see him setting up the ransom. FBI is probably all over his tech and would discover it. Plus he'd have no way to explain his sudden cash infusion were it to be successful.

Sometimes a child of an elderly parent gets POA and starts draining some of the bank accounts. Elderly parent finds out about it and there is an argument.

 

[celinesleuth]

I was doing such a good job at keeping up on every page until around the 400 mark. A truly bewildering and upsetting case. I don't know why, I always had it in my head that ransom was an "old fashioned" crime, and one that rarely works out for both parties, if any. But alongside the crypto aspect, ransom really could be likely and I'm glad it seems to be taken seriously within the investigation. I really hope today, tomorrow, this week, is the day Nancy comes home and the family gets answers.

Obviously everything in my comment is MOO, I do feel like Nancy knows the perpetrator, maybe only slightly, in passing. It could be as minor as somebody from decades ago holding a grudge. It's hard to know what to think!

 

[Napoli]

I think it's less about wishful thinking and more that the information that is publicly available and the actions of law enforcement make it really ambiguous as to whether the disappearance of Nancy and the ransom demand are the work of the same person/s.

MOO

IN MY OPINION, it's the same person/persons. Media etc has to create an ambiguous story line to create viewership and to justify broadcasting about this 24-7. SG said "we received your message and we understand" (instagram Saturday video) What more do you need? THEY (the family) are convinced the ransom demands are authentic and have the force of the police, the FBI and the advantage of insider information, behind them. I see nothing ambiguous but a lot of far-fetched speculation. JMO MOO

 

[submarine7]

I was doing such a good job at keeping up on every page until around the 400 mark. A truly bewildering and upsetting case. I don't know why, I always had it in my head that ransom was an "old fashioned" crime, and one that rarely works out for both parties, if any. But alongside the crypto aspect, ransom really could be likely and I'm glad it seems to be taken seriously within the investigation. I really hope today, tomorrow, this week, is the day Nancy comes home and the family gets answers.

Obviously everything in my comment is MOO, I do feel like Nancy knows the perpetrator, maybe only slightly, in passing. It could be as minor as somebody from decades ago holding a grudge. It's hard to know what to think!

If she knows them that's a problem.

 

[iamshadow21]

IN MY OPINION, it's the same person/persons. Media etc has to create an ambiguous story line to create viewership and to justify broadcasting about this 24-7. SG said "we received your message and we understand" (instagram Saturday video) What more do you need? THEY (the family) are convinced the ransom demands are authentic and have the force of the police, the FBI and the advantage of insider information, behind them. I see nothing ambiguous but a lot of far-fetched speculation. JMO MOO

Excuse me, but you seem to be taking my comment personally for some reason. Just because my feelings are more cautious than yours about linkage doesn't mean they're any less valid, or that I'm asking to be convinced of your point of view. I am not, I assure you.

MOO

 

[shonyakay]

IN MY OPINION, it's the same person/persons. Media etc has to create an ambiguous story line to create viewership and to justify broadcasting about this 24-7. SG said "we received your message and we understand" (instagram Saturday video) What more do you need? THEY (the family) are convinced the ransom demands are authentic and have the force of the police, the FBI and the advantage of insider information, behind them. I see nothing ambiguous but a lot of far-fetched speculation. JMO MOO

Rampant speculation often runs amok based on little to no hard facts. Sometimes when the truth is revealed it is not anything like what was being speculated about.

In this case, that could go either way (based on the little we know publically) which is why I am not hoping off of the fence yet.

 

[Strangeworld]

IN MY OPINION, it's the same person/persons. Media etc has to create an ambiguous story line to create viewership and to justify broadcasting about this 24-7. SG said "we received your message and we understand" (instagram Saturday video) What more do you need? THEY (the family) are convinced the ransom demands are authentic and have the force of the police, the FBI and the advantage of insider information, behind them. I see nothing ambiguous but a lot of far-fetched speculation. JMO MOO

We can't be sure the family are convinced the ransom demands are authentic. I would actually err on the side that they aren't sure if the ransom notes are real or may even possibly know they aren't real. IMO I would say noone can be sure at this point other than those directly involved in writing the ransom notes and the person/s who brought harm to Nancy, regardless of whether they are the same people or not.

 

[Cassie P]

New poster and hello everyone. I have followed this since the beginning and the entire thing has always struck as very odd. There is just no logical reason for anyone to 'kidnap' NG.

I am a big believer in Occam's razor and to me the simplest explanation is whoever saw NG last either knows something or is directly responsible. What are the odds that some random guy would just happen to abduct/hurt/kidnap NG an hour or 2 after she got home from being out to dinner with family members? Seems very unlikely to me. And from what I know of the situation, her son in law is the last person to see her. Which I also understand is he is in a situation where he and his wife (NGs daughter) were in debt and financial distress.

Everyone should watch the video of Anthony Aiello on youtube. 90 year old man who murdered his daughter in law inside her home....for money. The pizza murder. This situation with NG completely reminds me of that.

I really have a hard time believing any of these ransom notes are serious. IMO they are coming from someone who is trying to buy time. IMO probably the son in law. IMO he tried to get money from NG, she refused, he ended up hurting/ending her.

I really hope I am wrong but it seems pretty clear to me.

Yes parsimony (Occam's razor) is a guiding principle in theory building. What is the most simple theory that explains all the evidence. Once a theory gets too convoluted it is probably the wrong theory.

I think your theory is simple and logical at this point in time.

So you see the ransom notes as the SIL's attempt to stage a domestic crime as an intruder kidnapping? A cover up and hoax to deflect, avoid arrest, and buy time?

 

[Sessiebo]

I understand what you are stating. Rampant speculation often runs amok based on little to no hard facts. Sometimes when the truth is revealed it is not anything like what was being speculated about.

In this case, that could go either way (based on the little we know publically) which is why I am not hoping off of the fence yet.

Yeah realisticly all we know for sure Nancy is missing and the who and why is all pure speculation at this point, jmo.
For the family's sake i hope it's not a relative because that adds betrayal into an already horrible situation and i just hope Nancy comes home soon