AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Inthedetails]

Why wouldn't they put cameras down the septic tanks to actually see down there. Their efforts seem half**sed.

And I sort wish they would put up tents and/or screens while they worked to keep the news out of the way. Of course, I find the drone footage interesting but I also feel yucky that the crime scene is exposed while they work. I know they can't tent the whole yard, but at least sections where they are working.

I want to be wrong and that in the end we'll all be impressed eventually.

jmo

 

[rosesfromangels]

My grandma lived in the home where she had lived for her nearly her entire life until she was almost 90. My grandpa had died 30 years earlier so she lived alone but several relatives lived nearby and we stopped in daily to check on her. I picked her up to take her to get groceries and to go out for lunch or dinner several times a week. She didn’t want to leave her home and she was very independent. She felt well and didn’t have any memory loss or other issues.

A few months before she turned 90 my two uncles (her sons) decided that she shouldn’t live alone and moved her in with one of them. She immediately became disoriented, lost her appetite, began declining and died just a few months later.

She had been so happy in her own home, and I often think about how many more years she would have had if she had been allowed to stay in her home.

There are no easy answers with elder care, just tradeoffs. None of us can second guess unless we are willing to step up ourselves.

Amateur opinion and speculation only

 

[Wsimm]

yes, yes.
This call CAN be verified. True, they don't have to tell us..... but we know they do say things to calm the swelling public reactions.
Any new press conference will be flooded with questions about "the church lady" (just a little funny)

But IF they are leaning towards AG and TC.... they probably WOULD have to keep this to themselves.
It is just such a significant piece of the case.

I definitely think there was a call. Whether it actually came from someone from NG’s church or someone involved in her abduction has yet to be revealed. I’m guessing LE hasn’t been able to verify the caller? I have no idea how burner phones work and if the call came from one, would this be the difficulty in verifying?

It’s my feeling if SIL is involved he’d have to had help from someone other than just AG. In that case the call could’ve been from that “someone else” involved. Maybe the call stated that they’ve completed their portion of the abduction. If the phone number is unverifiable it could be explained away as someone calling from NG’s church.

If SIL and AG are not involved, the call could have come from the abductors masquerading as a fellow church member who’s concerned NG was absent from Sunday services.

 

[Cassie P]

To me this is key as well. Who called you? When? Let me see your phone? Why did they call you? Let's go talk to them. The alleged caller: Did you call them? What time? Let me see your phone. Why did you call them?

If any of them lie... LE: Let's talk about this in private at the police station, you might want to bring your lawyer.

LE has, without any shadow of a doubt, asked those questions and looked at those phones. But telling the truth about this also does not preclude the SIL or others from being guilty. What does support their alibi might be: their phone and their movement/activity that night. There is all sorts of data we aren't privy to- location data (my Apple watch would tell them when I was asleep and if I got up in the middle of the night, then there is video from the circle K that is at the outlet of their street etc..). LE has all of this, and is likely discussing the investigation with SG, who is a lawyer, and a journalist. And yet- she is still staying with her sister at her house (at least as of yesterday, I posted a link upthread) and holding her hand during videos. This is incongruous to the family thinking the SIL is involved.

-Yes the police have to verify the call actually took place.
-And if the church lady does exist, she has to be ruled out as an accomplice or perpetrator. Maybe she was not really a church lady.
-If the call did take place, it still does not exonerate the SIL. The call could have been a monkey wrench in the cover up plan. It forced a 911 call much sooner than planned.

 

[Sadi]

I thought she had a hearing aide that suggests she might not have heard a bell. My amateur guess is that she was attacked in her bed.

Amateur opinion and speculation only

I think this too, she was attacked and when she was removed from her home, she was no longer living.

 

[Trino]

I thought she had a hearing aide that suggests she might not have heard a bell. My amateur guess is that she was attacked in her bed.

Amateur opinion and speculation only

Maybe, but elderly persons often don't completely sleep through the night. I would say nightly they get up to use the bathroom, often stay up a bit.

 

[Inthedetails]

She was driven home; for whatever reason she was already bleeding or started to bleed leaving the vehicle, innocently or not.

But how does that tie in with the garage door opening?

Not knocking the theory, just trying to place it in the timeline of known events.

 

[LAborn]

And I sort wish they would put up tents and/or screens while they worked to keep the news out of the way. Of course, I find the drone footage interesting but I also feel yucky that the crime scene is exposed while they work. I know they can't tent the whole yard, but at least sections where they are working.

I want to be wrong and that in the end we'll all be impressed eventually.

jmo

Good point, why not put up a tent?!? They know how high profile this case is, have some discretion. It just seems everyday they are proving how bungling they are. I mean, anyone could go to the store and get cameras to place down there on those long sticks. Even if they didn't have the equipment on hand. I thought of that with zero experience. Yes, I'm hoping we're all proved wrong and they have been cracker jack the entire time.

 

[korncrasy]

This door looks like it would be heavy and APITA to unlock.

Were all the locks on those doors still locked when LE arrived?
Also, when my camera needs charging I bring it in.Did NG bring the doorbell in because the batteries were dead and discovered the entire thing needed replacing and tossed it.
The blood on the walkway could be from her fidgeting with it and getting hurt.My husband bleeds doing everything.

 

[rosesfromangels]

And I sort wish they would put up tents and/or screens while they worked to keep the news out of the way. Of course, I find the drone footage interesting but I also feel yucky that the crime scene is exposed while they work. I know they can't tent the whole yard, but at least sections where they are working.

I want to be wrong and that in the end we'll all be impressed eventually.

jmo

I’m with ya. There are people genuinely interested from a forensics perspective, and then there are ghouls. I find the latter despicable.

Amateur opinion and speculation only

 

[Trino]

Must take into consideration also that there are no footprints in the blood which falls within the walking path...

No footprints to smear the blood is definitely strange. And, was there blood to the septic tank?

 

[Ashley74]

Found this interesting. Think this points to the ransom being written by someone outside the country.


“But some experts remain wary of the ransom note, which specified that the payment be made in the equivalent of US dollars, which some said could indicate the sender was not in America — and could be someone trying to scam the Guthries out of millions as they search for their mother.”

“If you’re domestic, why would you ever put ‘USD?’ You put 6 million,” former FBI agent Michael Harrigan told The Post.”

The tiny detail in the Nancy Guthrie ransom note that makes FBI experts think the writers aren’t even in US

 

[tkcrockett]

May I pose a question?

From what I saw, and I may be mistaken, the door had a metal gate. Where I am from, we have the metal gate for security reasons, and if we answer the door we usually stand behind it and look around to see who is ringing.

Now, and bear with as I am slow in the mornings (and not much faster the rest of the day), the doorbell camera lets you know who it is, and you go to open IF you recognize the person, ESPECIALLY late at night.

My point, and I do have one if you give me a moment to get to it, is that if NG went to the door, she KNEW who it was. If she didn't and she opened, she did it cautiously (one hopes), and the metal gate would be (again, one hopes) locked. It will, as is the case with storm doors, open out towards the porch, and she would have been behind the door that opens IN towards the house.

This scenario would indicate that, if she indeed opened the front door, she knew the person who rang, and was welcoming them into the house. Forcing their way in would require a key for the gate, and if they have a key for the gate, WHY RING?

Again, my own thoughts, and I meander, but I grew up in a household of old people (raising me as a child) and we had gates and doors, and old people habits (which I now obviously exercise in an age-appropriate manner.)

Oh, and we have solar powered security cameras that announce people on the driveway, the walkway to our door, our porch, our side gate and our back door...unless we are expecting someone, or recognize who is on our property, we do not open.

My own opinions and thoughts and it's time for a second cup of coffee so forgive me if I've been nonsensical.

if she opened the door from inside, why go outside? If she went outside to open the door wide to let someone in, isn't the blood on the wrong side of the mat? The way the blood appears, she would have stood right in the way of anyone intending to enter. I also need more coffee!

 

[rosesfromangels]

I think this too, she was attacked and when she was removed from her home, she was no longer living.

I think there is a strong possibility that you are right. She was in fragile health to begin with.

Amateur opinion and speculation only

 

[maskedwoman]

Psychiatry calls interesting choices of words such as these "word salad."

A word salad is a "confused or unintelligible mixture of seemingly random words and phrases", most often used to describe a symptom of a neurological or mental disorder. Often, the person is unaware that they did not make sense.

In response, clinicians often maintain a calm, patient demeanor, echoing or validating the person's feelings rather than focusing on the incoherence.

I don't know what the post you were responding to is about, since it's so short, but I don't know why you went that direction in your response. In my experience, word salad is more often used in politics, when politicians are talking out of their you-know-what. It appears to afflict all political parties world wide, and does not necessarily indicate any sort of neurological disorder. Unless you count talking out of someone's you-know-what to be a disorder. In which case a large percentage of the world's population is affected.

 

[SRWCF]

To those who keep posting about how their 90 year old relatives are "totally fine and like a 25 year old!", we are all truly happy for you and wish them many more years of health and no sudden changes unfortunately typical for most elderly people (and which should and can be prevented with realistic lifestyles and safety measures).

That said, legally and logically, the question isn’t ‘can a 90-year-old be out late?’ It’s ‘what’s typical or expected for a person of this age with documented mobility issues, a pacemaker, and reliance on daily medications.’ Anecdotes about healthier individuals aren’t comparable. Courts look at whether something would stand out to a reasonable person given the same facts, not whether exceptions exist.

Source: I'm a lawyer

THANK YOU for this voice of reason! People have been screaming "ageism!" and clutching their pearls. Lol. I know that NG is "sharp as a tack" (according to LE), but that is not the norm for people of her age. My mom is 77 and I recently was awarded emergency guardianship / conservatorship over her after she got lost twice (and hospitalized twice) after driving approximately 1,600 miles. She is now in memory care, thankfully. She has Dementia and I am keenly aware of just how vulnerable and fragile our seniors can be, with or without cognitive decline.

 

[tkcrockett]

Maybe she was knocked conscious? Maybe she was slung over the perp's shoulders and the blood dripped from her nose onto the pavement.

who locked the 4 locks back?

 

[CandyKiss]

Please be kind in your responses. I mean well and do my best to be clear, but this is not my first language and I am getting older every day.

Not many can speak a second language nor write it so beautifully.

 

[jillybean51]

i can almost see this. I just got up and walked to my front door to try it. Doorbell rings. She sees someone she knows at the door. She opens house door. Mine goes inward as does hers. Opens metal door. Mine goes outward as does hers. I step outside near or onto the mat to let the person in. Something happens to cause blood. If she planned to let the person in and steps out of the way to do that, isn't the blood on the wrong side of the mat? Granted, I am making an assumption that she intended to let them in. Otherwise, why step outside at all? Maybe she stepped outside...in the dark of night, in her nightclothes (taken from her bed in first sherif statement) to chat? I am stumped but I think your way is as close as I can get

I think if she were holding the door open she would have been facing the mat and blood drop area?(if she was pulling the door to close it behind her, after the person entered)Just as she was turning to step back inside she was hit.(likely in the nose area)

 

[Barry]

The "cartel" as most people would define it, is a non-starter for me. Too high of a risk and attention for what in their world would be a relatively small amount of money.