AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

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You would hope LE in these 'missing person' or 'searching for a body' situations use heat-seeling drones early on so they didn't have to rely solely on naked-eye visibility.
I wondered if heat seeking equipment was used. Maybe find her nearby, early on that way. If she was driven out of town to desert, too vast to check out there.
JMO
 
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Was there sputum in it?I don’t think it was a spray,just droplets as if falling straight down.A bloody ,dripping nose would do this.I don’t think she stood there for long.Hit and carried or pulled inside as she was starting to re-enter.
I just keep thinking, if my nose bleeds I'm either holding my hand up straight away to stem it, or it's falling down onto my shirt. You'd have to be standing pretty awkwardly IMO for the blood to just fall straight to the floor and land like that, unless someone was holding my arms behind my back in which case my body would naturally lurch forward slightly.

Edit - grammar (fat fingers!)
 
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If someone has NG, would they really kill her, or when they realize there will be no money, would they just let her go? Letting her go is a risk she can identify places and people.
Letting her go, if she is alive, is INSANELY risky as there will be evidence with her that could potentially identify kidnappers/locations. I personally don't think she's still alive, and I'm still not sold that ransom demanders are actually kidnappers but even "dumping" her body is risky at this point, though somethings going to have to be done at some point. Or already done.
 
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This sounds more plausible!

Looking at that front door, I keep thinking that maybe the door hit her arm and that is how she started bleeding. This would make sense if she was made to open that door and smash that camera so the perp didn't have to go near it. Didn't leave a trail because she was only partially out the door, no shoe/footprints.

Thanks for the helping me make sense of this in my own mind lol I kept thinking that door hitting her arm would definitely break the skin and cause bleeding, but thought maybe when an amazon package or something was delivered. Making her smash the camera makes sense to me now.

All JMO
sputum in the blood complicates this for me. Not just simple as cut/punched/scratched and dripped
 
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That does make some sense because if any images were captured, it would be of HER dismantling the camera. But the blood does go away from the stoop and down the walkway in drips iirc.

jmo
and sputum in the blood
 
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Thank you again Tricia for linking this early press conference to rewatch. Very interesting.


"I believe what happened was at 9.45 in the evening her children left her off... At some time earlier [sic] that morning they got a call from uh, somebody at the church who said hey your mom’s not here…um, the family went to the house. I’m thinking they spent some time looking for her themselves before they called us, so I’m guessing maybe they got there around 11. So they did some searching and they realized hey we need some help, and then they called 911”

So one question I've been pondering - about where the information came from that the family spent an hour searching before calling 911- is The Sheriff himself.

Ie he could also be the inaccurate source of the 'church' phonecall. Not saying he is, just that it's possible.
Family has been criticized because they immediately did not call 911. Agree that the family would check around first. Her car was in the garage. Check inside. Outside. Walk around. Then, call 911.
 
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It happens, but I am sure the CSI would have identified the age of the blood stains (and who wouldn't clean it up ASAP?) and possibly if it was due to a puncture or a slower bleed.

Opinions, all opinions.
I mentioned this awhile back - from the picture I saw it appeared to be droplets that landed straight down. There didn't appear (in my very not at all professional opinion) to be splatter or cast off or "movement" in the drops. It looked, to me, like something or someone was stationary when that blood dripped.
 
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With Kindness and Respect to All: Today is no doubt going to be a busy day on WS. Please list your source if reporting new information. It takes too much time trying to verify undocumented claims, causes confusion, and wastes everyone’s time reading through unproven facts - not to mention Trish’s time and that of the Mods. In other words, please don’t send everyone down a rabbit hole. Opinions are great, but unsourced information is not acceptable as fact. Thank you!
 
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but they said she went in through the garage
Correct, that's what they said. But all they seem to know is the garage door opened/closed.
 
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Trying out this theory: NG arrives home and gets notification of a delivery. Yes, I know it's late but it's also around her birthday so maybe it seemed plausible to her. She opens the front door to retreive what she thinks is a gift/flowers, and is hit on the head.

Probably not likely but I'm trying to make sense of the front stoop scene.

jmo
Why would a kidnapper/burglar knock on the door in the middle of the night?
 
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I just keep thinking, if my nose bleeds I'm either holding my hand up straight away to stem it, or it's falling down onto my shirt. You'd have to be standing pretty awkwardly IMO for the blood to just fall straight to the floor and land like that, unless someone was holding my arms behind my back in which case my body would naturally lurch forward slightly.

Edit - grammar (fat fingers!)
and that first punch would likely have caused more than a drip in a person on anti coagulants. Plus the sputum...
 
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That would be my conclusion. We do not, as a habit, open the storm door (a concept that I was unfamiliar with in my earlier years) unless we are inviting the person into the house, and this happens only with very few people.

American homes, especially in the past 30 years, tend to have windows on each side; to my mind, this negates the purpose of the storm door, especially since the latch tends to be close to one of those glass panes. I believe the façade of NG's house was brick (faux brick?) so the gate (if I am correct it has metal mesh on it, making it more substantial) would be opened to let someone she knows into the house.

Just thoughts and opinions of mine. I am not an expert or privy to any other information.
The storm door here is called a security door. It is so you can sleep with the inner door open, letting cool air inside, and not having to worry about the javelinas breaking the door and getting. Those javelina are cute, but very destructive.
 
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I’m still wondering how much blood was found inside the home. We know it was in there. How much would make a big difference. If it was a huge amount, she would have likely died at the scene. It doesn’t seem that that’s what their takeaway was from whatever they found inside the home. I wonder if anything was knocked over. That would indicate a struggle.


Per this article, the Pima County Sheriff's Office noted on their briefing today that, "disturbing or concerning circumstances were found at the home, prompting homicide detectives to assist in the investigation."

Praying she will be found safe.
 
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So much appears to have happened with the investigation over the weekend, where do you think we stand?

1) As far as Annie Guthrie's car that's reportedly impounded, would they be looking for blood and download data from the on-board computer showing any movement during the early Sunday morning time frame of the crime?

2) Nancy Guthrie's Subaru impounded to see if someone was hiding in the car while the garage was opened? Maybe looking for touch DNA on handles foreign to the family?

3) Guessing that the septic tank check was just a precaution since no proof of life for Nancy and no body found elsewhere?

4) Finding the camera on top of roof was bizarre. Again, there was probably no subscription service so even though camera found and not smashed this time, data written over top of the time period in question probably makes it useless.

Anything else significant I missed? probably so
I have a question which may have been discussed here already. You all know how it is with such a fast moving thread… is the ransom supposed to be paid today? SG said “We will pay.” I don’t know if to assume that meant on time, or early even. If they came to that decision, I was thinking they’d pay sooner in order to their mom back (hopefully) earlier the better. Or was it a message that we are working on it and will pay. Be patient with us and our mother.
 
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Is there solid evidence that she was dropped off at home just before 10pm? Is it possible she was actually dropped off earlier, and whatever happened happened earlier, and the activity around 2am was actually "clearing up"? JMO
 
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The ransom guy appears to be ultra smart working with Bitcoin. May very well get away with it. Assume the ransom is a ruse, where do we go from here? Guess we will soon know.
5pm is fast approaching and I’m waiting for another video from Savanna and her family to say it’s been paid. But I’m questioning why they are even posting the videos? If they know they’ve made the payment, why would they show that to the world? Also, if they don’t make the payment, what are their options? It’s very unlikely N is alive, I believe she was killed before she was removed from her home. Does the family believe her remains will be returned? I know they are wanting that, but I have a hard time believing that will happen due to risks of being caught.
 
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Just now, I took a photo of a televised CNN story on the Guthrie disappearance: This is my photo.

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Please note that there is no mention of the “11:00 am phone call from church member”
 
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The Church call should be looked into. Unless NG never missed a day and had a dear friend at Church who would immediately notice she didn’t come and called her back, and after she didn’t pick up, panicked and called AG. Possible but pretty far-fetched. What was the outcome of that call? They discovered that NG was gone without much delay. I can’t imagine that would have benefited a random stranger. But it gave AG and SIL valid reason to enter the premises, potentially before any household help showed up at NG’s. So either the call was genuine or it is related to AG/SIL. MOO
 
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I just keep thinking, if my nose bleeds I'm either holding my hand up straight away to stem it, or it's falling down onto my shirt. You'd have to be standing pretty awkwardly IMO for the blood to just fall straight to the floor and land like that, unless someone was holding my arms behind my back in which case my body would naturally lurch forward slightly.

Edit - grammar (fat fingers!)
Maybe it knocked her out or stunned her and it dripped down as she was pulled in the door?
 
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Regarding hearing aids: I wear hearing aids, and I think it's most people would take them out when they sleep. The reason is batteries. If the hearing aids have rechargeable batteries, they need to be recharged. If using regular batteries, they wouldn't last very long if you wore them when you sleep. Certainly not an absolute, but I think most people would take them out when sleeping.
 

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