AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

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Can someone give me a TLDR from the last 2 days please?
LE went to AG's house Sat night and apparently were taking photos inside (maybe in the garage?) at some point. They were there for about 3 hours. LE went back to NG's house and looked in a septic tank behind her house and didn't seem to find anything. Ranson deadline passed a little while ago. No news on any bitcoin/money being exchanged.
 
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Going to wait a little longer to see if it can be confirmed whether ransom was paid or not and whether any disposition is known, and if not I'll more strongly consider option 2, which was a lot of folks' (also reasonable) option 1.

JMO.
What are the two options? Did you mean to reply to a post laying them out?
 
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LAST TUESDAY?!?
I'm taking this to mean he hasn't been seen by media. Not necessarily that the family hasn't seen him
 
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No, the FBI does not automatically investigate a case just because they are asked to
. The FBI only has the authority to open an investigation if there is a potential violation of federal lawand the case meets certain internal criteria.
I have to agree that most complex investigations I have followed were assisted by the FBI. I think the distinction is assistance vs opening an investigation.
 
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I feel so far that political is the only thing it genuinely can't be. Groups or people that do this kind of thing for political reasons want people to know while the media are still interested.

So far no mention has been made of either ransom communication being political in nature.
Maybe someone didn't like SGs politics ..however..this is still an abduction..or a murder and the body was stolen. I really don't understand the people who say it isn't an abduction..
 
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Great point about the pacemaker, I forgot.
Could her pacemaker data record as long as her watch was with her and not necessarily on her wrist ?
Yes. I have a monitored pacemaker that transmits to my phone app. As long as the phone is nearby it doesn't matter where I am.
 
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Is there any scenario where they have known SIL is the kidnapper and authorities haven’t made that public? Maybe they don’t know where he is, can’t get into contact and they were playing along, in the hopes that he still has her alive somewhere?
According to @Fargo link; TC has been missing/hiding/busy with his job / since last Tues.
 
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So if Brian Entin said that on his own platform that would be allowed. Im not seeing any mainstream media connections with that account tho
Also it sounds like BRIAN hasn't seen him. He did not say that nobody has seen him .
 
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Can anyone explain why Fox News isn’t a credible source and AB is? Don’t give me some garbage about the 2020 election either.
Tricia has posted the reasoning before, so you can search the thread and read. Either way, it’s not up for debate. If you disagree, you (just like all of us) are not required to be here.
 
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I noticed this too. However, if they know that his name is out there as the prime suspect, he would probably lay low. If he’s with the family he may not need to leave the house. People out there could attack him. The police have probably asked him not to leave as they don’t want to be called out to intervene because someone is threatening him, people are surrounding him, or hitting him. And where would he really need to go at this point? I’m sure the family has food being brought to them.
 
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What are the two options? Did you mean to reply to a post laying them out?

No sorry. Option 2 for me is murder/dump/potential close associate perp. I considered kidnapping/ransom more likely because it appeared the FBI and family did as well based on their behavior.

JMO.
 
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Is there any scenario where they have known SIL is the kidnapper and authorities haven’t made that public? Maybe they don’t know where he is, can’t get into contact and they were playing along, in the hopes that he still has her alive somewhere?
IMO no, if this were the case they'd have AG posting videos begging for him to turn himself in, or to come back, or not harm her.
 
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No, the FBI does not automatically investigate a case just because they are asked to
. The FBI only has the authority to open an investigation if there is a potential violation of federal law and the case meets certain internal criteria.

Just because in the end there’s not a federal prosecution doesn’t mean there wasn’t a strong indication of POTENTIAL violation of federal law initially.
Doesn’t the FBI always get involved in suspected kidnappings? I think they have, ever since the lindburgh kidnapping.
 
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I'm taking this to mean he hasn't been seen by media. Not necessarily that the family hasn't seen him
There is more media and paparazzi outside AG's home than flies on poop. Where the heck is he?
 
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All good questions. But considering the pacemaker data - isn't it likely she was home until the time the data was no longer being recorded?
The pacemaker could have been synced to the iPhone anywhere - at her daughters or at her friends or at the store - she didn’t have to be home - the two devices just had to be within Bluetooth range. Let’s say she left or was taken from her home at midnight but then at 2 something someone took her watch and returned it to the house. Just an example - not in any way saying I think that happened. Also she could have been home for hours after the disconnect if it was manually disconnected or she got too far away from the iPhone. The only thing we know for sure is what time it disconnected.
 
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Doubtful anyone comes here to read and/or comment because they think these cases are like a game of clue ?
We are discussing any and every possibility which might shed some light on the methods of the perp and which could lead to a break in Nancy's case.
WS is not like you have described it, a social media free for all, but is helmed by hard working people who help keep it factual and within the guidelines.
No one has been bashing, not sure where you're seeing that ?

Rather we're discussing within the guidelines about how this frail and elderly woman was possibly taken from her own bed and home.
There are multitudes of members here, who have contributed greatly to our understanding of the cases and the methods used by law enforcement for solving them.
That same law enforcement have cleared no one and as such it's permitted to discuss possibilities.

These cases and others are never a 'clue game' for most-- if not all -- of us .
Some of them painfully linger long after the perps are sentenced, like this older case from about 2018 in the Daily Mail which still hurts as justice was not as harsh as (imo) should've been ?


We can speculate about the sister AG and brother in law, TC, using their initials only.
All questions seem to lead to a closer circle around Nancy than a random perp.
Still many unanswered questions.

IF LE say the family is cleared that's great and the focus can be on possible employees or someone known to Nancy or the family in general.
The perp had inner knowledge of the cameras and took time to remove some or at least the SD cards in others.
They had more knowledge than a random burglar, imo.

At the end of the say, all we want to do is to solve this case and if Nancy is alive, to get her back home, and I'm sure you would agree ?
The rest can be worked out later.
Omo.
But we are not entitled to know everything in the investigation. I never said bashing, however in my opinion, family members are under heartbreak, trying themselves to figure out what's next. It doesn't do any good for people who are uniformed to keep incessantly stating opinions as though it is truth. I had hoped that NG was unharmed, but I fear she is now dead. I hope that the people more qualified than any of us will find the truth. MOO
 
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But I think someone said that Fox affiliates are okay. Does that mean, local Fox news stations? And they indeed may be better at local news stories.

JMO
Sorry. Yes local affiliates are fine. Im sorry. Im overstimulated so im being a jerk
 
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Once again, I have to close the thread because some people believe their complaints about our decisions are so important that they need to post them over and over.
From now on:
Automatic 10-day or more time out for complaining about moderation
Automatic 5-day timeout for posting facts and pictures without links.
The thread will reopen when it is cleaned up.
No one is forcing you to read or to participate.
My apologies if I sound bitchy, but I have had no sleep, and I can't seem to get the message across.

Tricia
 
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