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Intruder /very bad guy :
I think unprepared. He encounters the camera which should have been planned for - and it was not.
He is moving slowly - I am going to say he is no mastermind.
The gun holster looks very rinky dink almost like a childs toy gun holder and the positioning is strange - is there an actual gun in it or a knife?
Back pack looks very cheap and "stuffed" like right from the store display ...even with bubble pack - or a tent or clothes - there are no impressions of anything I can see inside it. Was that just a cover in case someone saw him ? Coming back from a hike in the nearby mountain area/woods?
He is not athletic - watch when he bends over for the brush one leg stays straight - too much exertion for him ?
I think def a guy.
Are there any 40-50 ish guys in the neighboring area - that may ne a little "slow
that live with their parents? Or visit frequently? Any houses for sale in the area or vacant - any bomb shelters in that fine area of Tucson?

I hope this is the breakthru they need someone should recognize this guy -

Let it be the answer

JMO
Did you see the second video they released? (which was from prior to the first video released)

The suspect wasn't moving slowly in that one.
IMO, in the video of him bending over by the flowers, he moved slowly and carefully because he had moved the gun/holster around to the front and it impinged his right hip bending.
 
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Admittedly, I’ve missed some posts and I’m not fully caught up on the thread, but do we know if Nancy had a partner or a lover?
 
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Can I ask? Where did you find the pic in the right? The twitter link in a previous post doesn’t work for me. I can’t seem to to find it online. Thank you.
1770756047055.webp
 
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So how did he get in?

I couldn't see any signs of forced entry in the photos I posted earlier, and the sheriff wouldn't comment when asked about forced entry either.

Lock pick?
We've only seen the black "screen" security door which may have been kept unlocked. If there was forced entry, it might be visible on the door behind the security door.
 
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Well, Grok agrees it’s a semiautomatic. It thinks the holster is just a generic, cheap “one size fits all” holster. definitely not a set up a pro would use.
Everything about that get up screams cheap and thrown together to me, especially that long profile generic holster, and the reflective backpack.
 
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I think whether or not he knew the camera was there is up for debate.
He clearly has his face down when he walks into the frame in the video, which makes me think he at least thinks there's a possibility.
Maybe he thought he could cover it with something he already had, decided against it, picked up the plant instead? Maybe he was originally going to disable it but then changed his mind? I imagine there was a LOT (of awful things) going through his mind and his actions may have not been super deliberate.

Another question that keeps swirling for me is why SG thinks NG is still alive. Hope? Or an actual reason we aren't aware of.

I'm also curious if there have been ransom discussions underway that the public isn't privy too.
I still find it shocking that the perp is likely aware that SG was WILLING to pay millions, and wouldn't be trying to cash in on that in SOME way, even if it wasn't part of the original motive. Maybe even by just having information as to what happened, and/or a body.
Heck, maybe LE even found the body or the location was made known by the perp (again I hate even typing that) but LE/SG are acting like they're don't, so that the public can help get an actual arrest.
 
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SERIOUS QUESTION. If this was your son, would you turn him in? Neighbors might recognize, friends, coworkers, etc..and I know the family of Charlie Kirk turned in the alleged killer. However..family would probably know clothes, gun, backpack, eyes etc the best. Would you turn him in? Asking for help from the community might not produce what they are hoping, especially if he isnt local and disconnected from family dynamics. I only ask because I am not confident he will be identified.. really no need to answer. Just ask yourself..you might not turn in your son...... JMO Let's hope he has a cousin ....
I don’t think I’d want my kid out there around the public or even me if they were capable of doing something like this.
 
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if LE is investigating person/people close to the family, who have criminal records, I’m curious if they could compare crimes and if person dressed similarly in other crimes as well? Would also explain how person could have easy communication access with Guthrie family members. Jmo
 
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So "expert" commentators on the vulpes network just echoed my sentiment about the getup being "off"

Mismatched holster to gun, reflective backpack, weird use of thick nitrile type gloves. One even alluded it might be an "off" person.
It's certainly a weird get up that doesn't scream pro.
That is the vibe I get - an "off" person - not quite all there
JMO
 
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Admittedly, I’ve missed some posts and I’m not fully caught up on the thread, but do we know if Nancy had a partner or a lover?
I don't think the media or LE has commented on such.
 
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Why do they keep involving AG's house in the incident that occurred at her own house?
Who knows? If you mean why is the media still focusing on it, well, investigators keep going back and they sent out a notice that they would be returning at night. If you’re asking why investigators keep involving AG’s house, that’s anyone’s guess at this point.
 
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I wonder if they have the SanPaku Eyes
Sanpaku eyes, or "three whites" (sanpakugan) in Japanese, refer to
an eye appearance where the sclera (white part) is visible above or below the iris, rather than just on the sides. Originating in traditional face reading, it signifies physical or spiritual imbalance, specifically yin (below) or yang (above).
 
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Those cameras have little IR flashlights, thats why the it reflects like a light on the reflective parts of the back pack. He does not have a flashlight in his mouth, you'd see it more. He has a gold or diamond insert on his tooth. Something that would reflect the IR light back just like the backpack did.
There is definitely something very reflective in his mouth, could be a metal or diamond tooth. Its not bright enough to be a flashlight. Gold reflects 99% of IR light...
 
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JMO AI stuff is going to be useless for this. Definitely AI colorations are incredibly unlikely to come up with anything remotely similar to the actual colors, especially if they are assuming that the input is a black and white image rather than the infrared image it actually is. How AI works (in an incredibly simplified version) is "among all the other things that look kind of like this, what is the most common/likely other information"? Like, "among all other photos I have of people wearing a shirt this cut and shade, what is the most likely color?" I think from that, you can probably extrapolate how unlikely it is to happen to land on what the actual color is; no more likely than you or me. And then factor in the reality that with an IR image even the shade is likely misrepresented, it's just totally impossible. Same with trying to "unmask" via AI. It's just going to look for matches or averages from all images it has been trained on. It's not doing any kind of facial recognition, and it's not magic. IMO it's just a distraction (and I say that as someone who does find AI useful in some contexts. I am not anti-AI; I am just saying I don't think it's going to be productive here).
 
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I like how 45 people said we are so glad that pictures are coming out so you guys will stop harassing TC! Bro on camera literally appears to be a short, good looking Italian guy under the mask.
 
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Someone left an Amazon package on the doorstep too. People are just walking right up to the house. Crazy. This happened after they took the tape down the first time.
that is not the case at all. It was ordered for a live streamer out front. He found the person. What is bad is that he walked right up to the door
 
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I feel like the ransom demand was authentic, and based on the brazen, elaborate, and meticulous nature of the invasion, sent by this particular perp or perpetrators. Whether it was a legitimate desire for money, a diversion, or something else, remains to be seen. I feel like they want something from SG, but only those close to the investigation would know what that definitively is.

Why remove the 84 year old mother of a well known celebrity with means and then send the celebrity a ransom demand via a large media outlet if the plan was just to murder her mother incognito, and with no infamy or fanfare?

TLDR: She may indeed still be alive, and the reason for that would be anyone's guess at this point.

JMO.
 
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This came from a woman in Oregon who ordered a pizza for JLR. I was watching his live stream when it happened. The Domino’s delivery driver called the person who placed the order, and she confirmed it was meant for JLR.
Mistaken delivery notwithstanding, why was the delivery guy not stopped by LE before he got to the front door? Are the deputies not watching the place any longer?
 
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