AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

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Why would he want to expose his eyes and mouth? Like why not wear night vision glasses? Also, not cold in Tucson and he seems to wear such padded clothing.
I’ve lived here most of my life and most people I know are wearing at least long sleeve during winter, esp at night/early AM. I’m outside around 4am and wear a hooded sweatshirt, beanie and sometimes gloves.
 
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If someone knows who this is they may give them up now knowing that authorities are gaining on them and they don’t want to be treated as an accessory to the crime.
 
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Hey folks,

We had previously been removing discussion about the Scottsdale case because there was no indication from LE that there was any connection. Tricia and I have discussed this, and we are opening that up for discussion.

Many thanks and apologies to those members whose posts were removed before now. Here is one article to open up discussion on that case:

 
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Police are now at Annie's house
 
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Yes, I also allow LE to use my kit on GEDmatch. Sorry not sorry if some third or fourth cousin is a criminal and my DNA helps catch them 🤷‍♀️

moo
Could help LE catch you!
 
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So, im a kidnapper/robber but I didnt think of ring camera? I dont bring a piece of black electrical tape to put over the ring camera? I try to grab some dry desert flowers to cover up camera. And then furthermore, i come to the front door? This isnt screaming really smart guy here. This is next level stupid. That's what scary. Someone this stupid can do this. Unreal.
My thoughts too. I also don’t think they knew the ring camera was there or they would have brought something. It looks like he fiddled with it and then tried to find something to cover it, panicked, and grabbed the closest thing (literally wtf).
 
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I agree....the way he bent over, he looks more middle aged, like he may have had an injury to that leg at one time. And...that backpack was soooo stuffed - like a blanket.
Agree his legs looked really stiff. Fit, but 30s, 40s.
 
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I feel like the ransom demand was authentic, and based on the brazen, elaborate, and meticulous nature of the invasion, sent by this particular perp or perpetrators. Whether it was a legitimate desire for money, a diversion, or something else, remains to be seen. I feel like they want something from SG, but only those close to the investigation would know what that definitively is.

Why remove the 84 year old mother of a well known celebrity with means and then send the celebrity a ransom demand via a large media outlet if the plan was just to murder her mother incognito, and with no infamy or fanfare?

TLDR: She may indeed still be alive, and the reason for that would be anyone's guess at this point.

JMO.

Yes, brazen and elaborate.

Which makes me think the $6 Million ransom request seems unusually small.

I don't think this is a solo crime. I think there is someone with inside knowledge of the family, of SG's fnances, of NG, and of the interior layout of the home and of the property.

Likely having to split the money. 6 a number easily dividable by 2 or 3. So $2 or $3 million each is a lot, but really, not all that much. Why not $8 million? Why not $11 million?
 
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@BrianEntin

Search and rescue crews going door to door now near Annie’s house
 
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It does look like the person might be wearing a mask. Not this exact Charlie Chaplin one, but maybe something similar

Just a thought here.

Could the perp have been wearing theater makeup on their face to make it look similar to a Charlie Chaplin like appearance?
 
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I wasn’t saying who it was for; I was pointing out that people are just walking right up to the house.
sorry there are so many crazy stories.
 
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The eyebrows just do not sit right with me. They're SO dark and thin, but also at times they don't look like eyebrows at all.
I don’t think they are his eyebrows. I think that’s the edge of his mask (or of 2nd under-mask). The same dark line can be seen at the bottom of the mask’s eye slit.
 
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So, im a kidnapper/robber but I didnt think of ring camera? I dont bring a piece of black electrical tape to put over the ring camera? I try to grab some dry desert flowers to cover up camera. And then furthermore, i come to the front door? This isnt screaming really smart guy here. This is next level stupid. That's what scary. Someone this stupid can do this. Unreal.
Also- did not even try the door knob
 
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Would reflective strips be helpful if working with a partner, to be able to see each other in the dark?

I wonder if someone was behind the house while this guy was in front?

jmo
Interesting cause I mentioned we use IR patches in the military for IFF (identifying friend or foe) when using night vision.

I don't see any way that plain jane sporty backpack with big ole' reflective straps would work. It just seems like an available poor choice, Have no idea why he wasn't full black. Sometimes people use an OSHA reflective vest to look like a worker or delivery guy to get access to a property but in this case it's just a sporty backpack, not even subdued colors which are more common even (hiking or tactical packs),
 
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Dbm
 
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could be a distortion effect by the camera, but his mouth looks close to his eyes relative to the distance between his eyes and the size of his eyes.

I get why people think perp's wearing a mask under the ski mask. not sure if I agree, but if not IMO it's a pretty distinctive looking person.
Yes I can't find it but someone previously posted a distinctive mask with the little mustache chin 'stache that I think might make sense under the ski mask..This person put thought into this but is clearly inept it seems to me...which makes me think someone affiliated with or a recent worker..of some sort. Imo she might have been better off with someone more professional :(
 
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I don’t think so, I don’t believe braces would cause that much of a shine but I could be wrong

moo
I think it's a light of some kind in his mouth. When he bends down to get brush to try to cover the camera you can see a flash and
as he stands you can see a movement of light on the archway.
 

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