AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

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Jake Tapper just said Tucson station KGUN said the amount of activity in the bitcoin account was under $300.

I think this was a wise choice and most likely guided by the FBI.

Dip a toe in, test the waters before taking the plunge.

IMO it’s felt all along like a deadly Chicken or Egg dilemma.

Do you pay the ransom first, with no proof of life, and hope for the best? Or do you insist on proof of life before you are forced to shower criminals with millions of dollars?

I would need proof of life so I could have my mother back safely. But would her captor(s) kill her as soon as the money is released?

JMO
 
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That guy's totally an Amazon employee, right? MOO
They said he posed as a delivery driver per Pima County Sheriff’s Office.
 
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Could be a test deposit (which sometimes happens before making a big deposit to confirm the adres of the wallet) or a trace deposit (maybe tracing a deposit notification, maybe see connection to a crypto exchange)
Idk - jmo
But could be from anyone. Correct?
 
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Ive just caught up.. what a day eh?

I find it abit irresponsible for TMZ again to report the activity in the account - I feel this could’ve been sent by the FBI as a trap for the suspect.

The activity around AGs house suggests to me they either believe SIL is still a suspect (although the pictures don’t look like him imo) or they suspect a neighbour.
 
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My husband's pacemaker has triggering events setup in addition to the daily data dump. If his heart rate goes above or below a certain level an alert is sent to the doctor.
Right, data going to the dr is different than the device checking in with the recipient's own phone or watch. I was only referring to the latter.
 
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I am kinda stuck on they keep going back to Annie's house-- I don't know what to think about this except that she and her husband are suspects.
This fact is fascinating to me. They clearly think something is possibly there?
 
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$300 is an odd amount for a test transaction... I've never tested a transfer with more than $5, but I guess I'm in a different tax bracket than anyone involved here!
Maybe they think if the guy is getting desperate he might take a chance on retrieving 300 - but obviously wouldn’t for 5 ?
 
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Exactly. It's a new account and it's treated like all new accounts. You cant just put money in an account and expect it to be ready to go that minute. Theres a grace period.
This isn't how bitcoin works. If you have an amount in your bitcoin wallet, you can transfer it to another address. There doesn't need to be any approval. For personal comfort, a person may choose to send a small amount and then check with the recipient before sending the full amount, or maybe some bitcoin exchanges require this, but there is no requirement within the bitcoin framework to do this.
 
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Yes + middle of the night and little old lady...I don't think he was concerned about a struggle.

She can press a panic button or dial 911 tho. How did he know she wouldn't do that? How did he know she couldn't see him on the camera feed?

IMO perps had already been inside when this footage was filmed. But JMO.
 
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They said he posed as a delivery driver per Pima County Sheriff’s Office.
Missed that, thanks! Honestly they should still be looking into the Amazon connection, since he'd have to get the vest somewhere. They will hire anyone, so I'm sure it's not hard to get one secondhand but also not terribly unlikely that he is an ex- or off-duty employee.
 
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Exactly. It's a new account and it's treated like all new accounts. You cant just put money in an account and expect it to be ready to go that minute. Theres a grace period.
It's actually just a wallet address, not an 'account', there's not a grace period, fwiw.
 
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But could be from anyone. Correct?
Anyone who has the bitcoin wallet address could transfer btc into it, yes. That address has not been disclosed publicly, so it would have to be someone who has seen the ransom letter (which, to be fair, could be a lot of people at this point). Also, the transactions are traceable in both directions. I think that anyone doing this should expect a visit from LE to ask why they are interfering.

My guess is that this was done by FBI or similar, not a random interloper. JMO
 
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That guy's totally an Amazon employee, right? MOO
Did he forget to take a photo of the package until after they took it inside? *sarcasm*
 
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Kidnappers might be insulted by $300 and take their anger out on NG.
It's protocol to make sure account is real see @Sillybilly post above

But yes it is a risk but every action since day one has been a risk to Nancy's life including the perp deciding to invade her home

I hope he/ they get the 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 chair
 
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I am kinda stuck on they keep going back to Annie's house-- I don't know what to think about this except that she and her husband are suspects.
That was the last place NG was before going back to her house.

I am not saying they're suspects though.
 
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That's a good point, I'm trying to figure out if this is some setup however $300 instead of 6 million. I wouldn't bite. IMO
I'll try to offer some suggestions;
Small deposits are often done before depositing a huge amount to check if the adress is correct so one doesn't deposit into the wrong account, or, it could be to trace it to a crypto exchange as a crypto exchange asks for KYC.
KYC means Know Your Customer which means one has to give their personal data to be able to use it.
Sometimes it's even possible to track a notification tied to a deposit which would mean they may be able to trace it that way.
These are just a few ideas as to why a small deposit has been made.
Ofc idk the actual reason so it's just all my opinion
 
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They said he posed as a delivery driver per Pima County Sheriff’s Office.
Pima County Sheriff’s office said who posed as a delivery driver? Thanks
 
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