AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

Welcome! You have been invited by tricia to join our community. Please click here to register.
  • #21,161
No corroboration that she ever made it home from AG and SIL home that night. Her digital devices did but that's not proof enough. So you always concentrate on the last people with a victim.
If I had to guess, part of the reason they asked for camera footage from neighbors/surrounding business was to see if they saw her in a vehicle being driven home that night.
 
  • #21,162
IMO it would be hard for anyone to recognize the perp in the released stills and video. At least not by his facial features. It looks like he's wearing two masks and the one underneath is tight and probably twists and distorts his true features IMO.
 
  • #21,163
If I had to guess, part of the reason they asked for camera footage from neighbors/surrounding business was to see if they saw her in a vehicle being drive home that night.
Thats what I figured too, probably why the majority of searching and requests for footage have been around AG home rather then NG
 
  • #21,164
It’s almost like the family is unwilling to believe TC was involved. They are pointing the finger anywhere else including now at innocent people. Still looks like the band member to me.
 
  • #21,165
So angry that our FBI is so incompetent. Guy makes minimum wage, going about his business, when he's surrounded by LE. Then they break down his MIL's door, throw everything around in a search. Whoops. Sorry about that. FBI agents make GOOD money, and they can't do their homework? This is America 2006. We deserve better. (You can probably tell I live in Minnesota.)
On the other hand … good to know every lead is being investigated regardless of suspect hourly wage. You think hourly wage factors into who has Nancy?
If FBI gets a tip, saying it’s this “guy” he’s got suspicious behavior, has that backpack and been talking non stop about NG … you think fbi says … no - let’s not treat him like a dangerous suspect, let’s not talk to him because he’s on an hourly wage.
Respectfully disagreeing mostly because we don’t know what info FBI is acting upon.
 
  • #21,166
I think this person absolutely looks like the man in the mask. I also think it's odd he is giving an interview so soon and he honestly seemed to enjoy the attention. It also doesn't mean anything that they questioned and released him already maybe they don't have enough. Maybe I'm wrong. JMO.
 
  • #21,167
IMHO, this POI delivered to NG's home in the past and was seen by LE on her doorbell footage.

Yes I know, it's claimed by Nest/Google that her doorbell didn't upload to their servers since she wasn't a monthly subscriber, but I think that is Google's dirty little secret: everything is uploaded regardless of subscription status. Google probably caved to LE and finally gave them access to all her past footage.

So LE, possibly, invaded this guy's life based of a slight resemblance to the fully masked and clothed suspect. If true, that's unfrikkenbelievably stupid and amateurish.
 
  • #21,168
My question was very simple, but... okay.

How do you suppose that Nancy's blood appeared on her doorstep after all this? Because you can see it's not there when the footage was taken at 1:47am.
100% agree. IMO all the information LE has shared up to now would imply that NG was home in the night until she was far enough away from her phone—causing Bluetooth disconnection from pacemaker (5-30ft from her phone). And NG’s blood trail out the front door.. investigation on that alone can provide LE with specifics on the blood trail. That’s just my unprofessional opinion only. My opinion is that the blood trail starts inside NG’s home— behind that door, a trail of evidence of the scene, investigations/extracted data from technology that only LE knows. MOO is that LE may have enough evidence behind that door to say NG was home that night, and that’s why LE hasn’t suggested otherwise. But that’s just my opinion.

Really a sad, awful, horrible thing to happen though, this old lady is just so darn cute. Like my grandma. How could anyone? Tugs on my heartstrings 🥺

MOO 🐄 🐮
 
  • #21,169
I think this person absolutely looks like the man in the mask. I also think it's odd he is giving an interview so soon and he honestly seemed to enjoy the attention. It also doesn't mean anything that they questioned and released him already maybe they don't have enough. Maybe I'm wrong. JMO.
lol he’s not enjoying the attention he’s saying “I’m innocent get the F out of here”
 
  • #21,170
lol he’s not enjoying the attention he’s saying “I’m innocent get the F out of here”
His body language and facial expressions are saying something different to me. JMO
 
  • #21,171
I think this person absolutely looks like the man in the mask. I also think it's odd he is giving an interview so soon and he honestly seemed to enjoy the attention. It also doesn't mean anything that they questioned and released him already maybe they don't have enough. Maybe I'm wrong. JMO.
I second everything you say. I don’t want to point fingers at an innocent person but him being released doesn’t mean he’s completely innocent.

I also see people saying his eyebrows aren’t the same as the one in the video. You can not see the persons eyebrows in the video. I don’t think eyebrows are even exposed in that style of ski mask.
 
  • #21,172
IMO it would be hard for anyone to recognize the perp in the released stills and video. At least not by his facial features. It looks like he's wearing two masks and the one underneath is tight and probably twists and distorts his true features IMO.
Doesn't stop people from asking AI to generate images of someone with similar features and stature to muddy the waters.
 
  • #21,173
His eyes and eyebrows are completely different from the guy in the video. At least to me. And he's a lot smaller.
 
  • #21,174
So angry that our FBI is so incompetent. Guy makes minimum wage, going about his business, when he's surrounded by LE. Then they break down his MIL's door, throw everything around in a search. Whoops. Sorry about that. FBI agents make GOOD money, and they can't do their homework? This is America 2006. We deserve better. (You can probably tell I live in Minnesota.)

Not incompetent at all. This has happened with the FBI since the beginning of time. SWAT team type tactics when closing in on someone who may only be a suspect.
 
  • #21,175
Carlos' eyes and mustache looks like lantana man. IMO.
 
  • #21,176
It’s almost like the family is unwilling to believe TC was involved. They are pointing the finger anywhere else including now at innocent people. Still looks like the band member to me.

I am going with a family member orchestrated.
 
  • #21,177
AB posted this video about 5 hours ago.

I just can’t with AB, what she said about SIL was awful…. <Modsnip wayyyy off topic> AB is a hack. MOO!
 
Last edited by a moderator:
  • #21,178
I think this person absolutely looks like the man in the mask. I also think it's odd he is giving an interview so soon and he honestly seemed to enjoy the attention. It also doesn't mean anything that they questioned and released him already maybe they don't have enough. Maybe I'm wrong. JMO.
I honestly don't see any resemblance. Clearly he didn't fit the actual physical description and was probably released because he has a airtight alibi.
 
  • #21,179
In Delphi it was "Bridge Guy" what should we call the suspect in this one? I vote "Lantana man".
 
  • #21,180
Good morning.

I would like to start the day by expressing an opinion about what we all saw last night in contrast to what is being reported this morning.

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/nancy-guthrie-savannah-missing-mom-02-11-26

There was, indeed, a vigorous flutter of hopeful excitement when news broke about a POI being detained during a traffic stop, and the movement of LE in a specific direction. There was even a rising thrum of expectation that air traffic indicated movement to a hospital and, Lord willing, it was NG being taken for treatment.

The moment a location was given, the moment a woman was interviewed on camera and, in the deep emotion of the moment, revealed a name, muttered a last name, a deep dive into the who and where and what started. There was even speculation about whether a person with a similar-sounding last name, and who happened to be a sex offender, was THE person!!!!!

Warrant. They had a warrant! They don't need a warrant. And so on and so forth. The woman allowed them into the house, AND they had a warrant! Phones were taken. Her information was inconsistent...where does the son-in-law work? Where what how...was he driving a van for work???? Would you drive an UBER for an HOUR, and so on and so forth.

Of course we all want NG found. Absolutely! Why else would people from across the world at all hours be peeking in, commenting, proposing scenarios, etc.?

But...

Let's look at the other side, please, because not everyone will process the vague information we have about the person detained last night in the same way:

1) A journalist (dedicated, reliable, exhausted) made the decision to interview a household member live on air.
2) Said household member, in her anxiety and confusion about what was happening quite suddenly to her and her family, revealed snippets of information.
3) A warrant was present, but the search was conducted with her authorization because, as she stated, she had nothing to hide.
4) The first name and mumbled last name offered, in her ignorance (because she didn't realize the can of worms she was opening, of this I am 100% sure), were pounced on and people started digging. Maps, newspaper articles, a potential criminal history.
5) The information she offered under the strain and stress of the situation that was "inconsistent" was used to further justify pointing a finger a digging deeper.

This morning, the POI has been released, but the consequences for this family are far from over. Is the person they detained involved? Honestly, at this point, we don't know. He might have been released pending further investigation and he might be under surveillance even as I type this. We simply DO NOT KNOW.

However, somewhere out there, people who very willingly believe the worst and need to prop up certain personal beliefs will use "Hispanic male", "suspected sex offender", "driving a white van", and conclude "is he even legally in this country?"

We don't know the immigration status of this family, but I am sure we will get chapter and verse, plus added curlicues and frills in short order.

Regardless of your feelings about immigration in this country (and I do not judge people's opinions on this matter because each person has their reasons for holding fast to a particular set of values, peace to you,) an interview given in a moment of stress by a journalist who should have exercised a moment of discretion and still conveyed the gist of the conversation to his viewers undoubtedly will fuel ill-feeling towards people who might/might not be in the know about NG's whereabouts, or what happened at her home.

Full disclosure: I am Hispanic, and my vernacular is Spanish. I was born a US citizen (8 USC §1402 and the Jones-Shafroth Act of 1917) and I am fully bilingual; if you saw me on the street, you would probably think "Mediterranean ancestry? Jewish?" and you'd be correct on both counts. If you spoke to me, you would think I grew up somewhere in the Midwest because that's where the nuns from our school came from. Our last name is so "generic" that we've had people checking our credit in situ tell us that our names come up in an FBI list for wanted drug dealers.

My personal experience is neither here nor there other than it triggers empathy for NG and her family, but it also triggers the understanding that revealing the POI's name and interviewing his mother-in-law on air, and allowing her stress-induced indiscretion in revealing what she did will have serious consequences for this family.

In school (many, many years ago), we studied US History and Civics and Government. My presence (legal...I feel compelled to repeat this because words can be misconstrued very easily in an age when everyone skims and reading comprehension has lost the weight it once carried) in this country as a full-time resident (to the extent of not having gone home for funerals or vacations or flying visits) has now lasted 26 years and I expect to never see my island again...ever. In that time, the pursuit of truth and facts that are carefully and assiduously researched has given way to the instant gratification of "hits on Google".

I want, desperately, for NG to be found; I want her to be safe. I want her to be well. I wish her a peaceful rest of her life surrounded by her family, and some degree (because a totality, after this harrowing period, is never possible) of peace and ease of mind.

At the same time, I feel that we don't have a right to, in our zeal, tear into a family we don't feel as intimately connected to as we do the Guthries. There will be those who, regardless of this POI's release, will descend on his family with merciless anger. As of this moment, only CNN has reported the POI's release. ONE NEWS OUTLET that is widely viewed has reported this. ONE. I don't follow social media, but I am fairly certain that the backlash and the rhetoric about immigration is probably taking off like a Roman candle.

I don't want to be participant in that. That's not why I came here. I came here because one family had suffered a tremendously traumatic event, and I wanted to see NG found. In my stupid, old, possibly naive mind, the frenzy of identifying the POI and starting to gather random threads to weave some cloth based on mumbled information feels tremendously unfair.

Forgive me if you think these are the ravings of a post-menopausal woman who doesn't "get it". I thought we were here to be helpful to each other, to the victims and families. I went to bed last night thinking we might just have been participant in victimizing another family. Hyperbole, perhaps, but to me it's heartbreaking to see this happen.

I say all this with deep respect for everyone's opinion, and for the tremendous intelligence and dedication I have witnessed here. I will watch and listen, but I will not comment further. I want to see this through, but I feel I've said enough and cannot offer anything productive past this point.

Thank you for patience and your tolerance of my wordiness. Peace to all.
 

Guardians Monthly Goal

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
352
Guests online
3,597
Total visitors
3,949

Forum statistics

Threads
641,364
Messages
18,771,574
Members
244,790
Latest member
llyfrbryf
Back
Top