AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

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The tracks just stuck out to me as odd. The wheelchair comment is what sparked me to recall these tracks. Maybe there was a cart of some sort to get her to the road where the vehicle may have been. jmo
Someone early on said something about a wheelbarrow. I thought it was ridiculous but after seeing the makeshift blocker with the flowers, anything is possible in this case I guess.
 
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2. Has anyone posted about the partial view of the tattoo that was visible to the camera? From the news report I saw last night of the partial tattoo (of what the interviewee believes is a tattoo), it did seem that Carlos’s tattoo could be a visual match, so I’m wondering if that factored into him being tipped. He kept rubbing his arms during the interview. Are we thinking that was because of his arms being irritated by handcuffs?
Snipped for focus - I saw the photos and watched the video of "Lantana Guy" - they looked to me to be completely covered with clothing/mask/gloves - where do you see a "partial tattoo" that was visible to the camera??? TIA
 
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There is no wheel chair. NG uses a cane only.

How do you know there wasn't/isn't one on hand?

Do you have a link that she had no wheelchair in the home?

I know that pictures show her with her cane but how to know if she has never used one or uses something similar occasionally.

It could be a widely used transport chair that is light weight and folds up many keep around for occasions like the mall or a festival where it is too far for those with limited mobility to walk and enjoy themselves. We know for a fact her mobility is limited and she is in constant pain as SG has described.

The tracks also could have been a wheelbarrow or similar, imo. Which we also don't know if there was one at the home.

all imo
 
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There is no wheel chair. NG uses a cane only.
Could the kidnapper have used a wheel chair to move NG from the house?? Only one person would be needed to move NG using a wheelchair, not two people like we have been thinking?
 
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People keep saying he was released without questioning. I’ve seen at least one interview he’s given where he says he was asked a bunch of questions. Not sure where “released without questioning” keeps coming from.

JMO
yeah, why detain if you don't question? Makes zero sense and therefore IMO didn't happen that way.
 
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When former FBI agent Katherine Schweit heard about the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie, her mind drifted to a crime that took place in rural Wisconsin more than two decades ago.

An 88-year-old grandmother was abducted from her home in February 2003 and placed in the trunk of her car. Her abductor drove her to his property and shackled her inside a trailer. Soon after, the woman’s grandson, who owned a construction company, started to receive messages demanding millions for her release.

“The kidnapper thought he could get a big ransom from the family,” said Schweit, who investigated the case and helped capture the suspect and rescue the woman five days after she was taken.

The Guthrie case doesn’t seem to be following that script, Schweit said. “If you were going to abduct somebody for cash, why wouldn’t you aggressively try to get the cash by communicating with the family right from the start, so you could get your money and return the victim?”...
 
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I think there's more than one person involved in this. I don't think lantana man looks capable of pulling this off alone. And like most conspiracies once you manage to grab hold of one of the conspirators the rest comes tumbling out. IMO
Definitely more than just the lantana man are involved with the physical part of this, removing N from the house, a driver etc. Ransom part I thought was something unrelated, but I changed my mind and think it’s related. FBI is checking out the latest email/letter of demand and will track it down, hopefully. Two different groups of people involved here - kidnappers and ransom people, but still connected. IMO
 
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How do you know there wasn't/isn't one on hand?

Do you have a link that she had no wheelchair in the home?

I know that pictures show her with her cane but how to know if she has never used one or uses something similar occasionally.

It could be a widely used transport chair that is light weight and folds up many keep around for occasions like the mall or a festival where it is too far for those with limited mobility to walk and enjoy themselves. We know for a fact her mobility is limited and she is in constant pain as SG has described.

The tracks also could have been a wheelbarrow or similar, imo. Which we also don't know if there was one at the home.

all imo
A wheelbarrow leaves a single thin track, as any gardener knows.

MOO
 
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4. I don’t understand if what Carlos said is true, that he wasn’t asked ANY questions. That makes no sense to me. I feel sorry for what he and his family went through. I would have thought it would have been an extremely strong lead for him to be detained and his home to have been searched. One more confusing piece to this puzzle.

Thoughts on any of this? If all of this has been discussed, please feel to scroll and roll.
Snipped by me.

If you watch his interview with Ford(?) from ABC13 (first person he spoke to), the detectives did ask him personal questions regarding his alibi, whether he'd been to Nancy's house, if he knew who she or Savannah were, etc.

IMO, in later interviews when he says they didn't ask him any questions, he's saying that because the police didn't ask him any specific questions about the crime or crime scene. I think he understands (rightfully) that the reporters are trying to see if they can glean any previously unreleased info about the crime from the questions he was asked, and he has nothing to offer them.
 
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When first seeing the eyes behind the mask and the more feminine look (eyelashes etc.) my mind went directly to this 911 hijacker. It just reminded me that some men can have more feminine looking eyes. It’s less common, which is why when I picture a 911 hijacker, this is the only face that has been stored in my memory. If the perp on the porch does in fact have unique looking eyes, I hope it aids in his capture. Disclaimer: this particular photo does not capture his eyelashes as others I saw on the news back then.
 

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Definitely more than just the lantana man are involved with the physical part of this, removing N from the house, a driver etc. Ransom part I thought was something unrelated, but I changed my mind and think it’s related. FBI is checking out the latest email/letter of demand and will track it down, hopefully. Two different groups of people involved here - kidnappers and ransom people, but still connected. IMO
The recent note is an horribly bad hoax
 
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People keep saying he was released without questioning. I’ve seen at least one interview he’s given where he says he was asked a bunch of questions. Not sure where “released without questioning” keeps coming from.

JMO
I'd have to rewatch but my impression was they wanted to search his car and his van. They told him it was because of a kidnapping of NG and he denied knowing her. Then they tried to imply they had evidence of him googling her and being at her house and he told them to prove it. So, there definitely were some questions asked, but didn't seem like an actual interrogation.
 
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Agreed. One caught on camera but after that was disconnected, I think at least one other entered the home. They would have needed at least 2 able bodied adults to kidnap NG.
From the video it almost appears the suspects first intention is to knock on the metal gate/door. Maybe a signal to another suspect inside to open the front door? I’m curious to know if either AG or LE found both the front door and metal gate locked when they arrived Sunday morning?
 
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dbm. meant to quote
 
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The tracks just stuck out to me as odd. The wheelchair comment is what sparked me to recall these tracks. Maybe there was a cart of some sort to get her to the road where the vehicle may have been. jmo
There is no wheelchair. She was not not being "carted". She was able to use Uber normally.
 
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Right I would expect the FBI to be able to have additional access to someone in charge at Google to expedite this faster then it was.
I am not super techie, but my understanding was several expert subcontractors, outside of Google (Google subcontractors), were brought in to find, access images that were not saved by a subscription.

Each company had to do their own parts of the restoration( including protecting their own proprietary coding), so step by step process, probably even links between these separate subcontractors work needed permission. Time consuming work to begin with, permission needs to be granted along the way.

This is after they have found the appropriate timestamp section of the cloud to look, in the first place.

I think the FBI worked pretty quickly. This is just where we are in 2026 with proprietary coding. And as noted, obviously cloud can’t save everything forever.

Maybe a techie person can explain better? TIA

JMO
 

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