AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Diddian]

Does anyone who was watching the evening that 3 Sheriiff’s deputies visited AG’s home in darkness and went inside the house and garage and used a flash camera and possibly Luminol testing know whether any of that Luminol testing was done in the driveway leading out of AG’s garage?

ETA: I think it was Brian Entin who provided video but I have not yet found that.

 

[PCHS]

To take a body though is weird. Most people would do what they came there to do and leave. If they’re there to murder, they do it where they are. Dragging an 84 year old woman around is hard work and you could easily get caught.

Yes it is one thing that makes me think she was alive at that point when they took her

 

[CandyKiss]

Could it be a black watch band?

JMO

I don't think so, the top is angled on the left side and it doesn't appear to encompass the wrist at the mid-section .

 

[aafromaa]

I'm open to all scenarios but ask yourself would you open your door at 2 in the morning if you saw an armed, masked, gloved person on your porch?

I can think of a scenario that would cause me - also a senior lady living alone - to open that door - and that is if I could not see those things - if it was pitch black and i couldn’t see the person on the porch AND he said he was LE. So if the lights and camera were disabled first I might - but I would have a 9mm in one hand and a flashlight in the other and I would open it very cautiously even if I thought it was LE. Also note I’m not sure whether the full moon would allow enough light to see the mask or gun even if he lights and camera had already been disabled but if I did see that I certainly would not open it.

The only other scenario that I can think of that would cause me to open the door is if I recognized the voice of the person and they were pounding on the door and yelling through it that it was an emergency. In that case I might open it without even having tried to look out first - or grab my gun or flashlight.

 

[investigatoroffacts]

MOO.

I would imagine the abductor, trying to prevent leaving any DNA from stray hairs, etc., wore fresh clothes to NG’s house. (However bumbling they may be in some ways, they seem to have managed not to leave DNA that got found–and some article said the ransom note bragged about that, though I don’t know if that was validated.) I was initially thinking the jacket was likely to be from Walmart since the backpack seems to be. I agree with others that the overall jacket style is pretty basic–but the zipper is not. It’s got contrasting piping on each side of the zipper rather than the zipper itself being high-contrast. I could not find any like it at Walmart online, with both the horizontal dark line across and the contrast zipper style. But I did find a soft shell that’s sold in Europe that is very similar to that style. I believe Pitch Stone is a Scandinavian brand. I do not know if it’s sold in the US. (I’m an American who moved to Scandinavia.)

For me, The Jacket has a lot of similarities to a Spyder - Ski jacket no hoodie. With the zipper and such.

 

[allboys]

Your post prompted a question for me - what he was looking for ANY house that he thought he could access. Something at her door made him think "this one." Then he went to get his gear (whatever that was for) before actually entering.

Maybe it wasn't targeted at all, but just he thought he could get in.

jmo

Maybe he was testing to see if there was a motion sensor alarm, or floodlight in that coved entrance.

 

[farmgirl04]

What are your thoughts on the composition of the jacket. My initial thought was reversible fleece?

I think the jacket is a very old style biking/running shell. They are waterproof and can be super stretchy it looks like some of my very old ones easily 2000’s. Similar to this.
ETA: fixed picture

 

[stmichael]

Or there was a ruse to get her to open the door. "I'm law enforcement, there is a dangerous suspect on the lose around here" "I'm from the utility company. There is a dangerous gas leak, we need to turn off your gas". Something like that.....

I don't see that at all, actually I've state this point to the contrary.

He drew the gun front and center as he walked towards the door, and had a mask and gloves on a temperate night leaving all doubt of a ruse, rather "exposing himself" for intimidation.

Most pros would not expose themselves until they got in (both makes it easier to ruse your way in, and prevents a random person on the outside spotting you).

He also made no attempt at any easy disguise in this way (like the amazon vest or OSHA vest criminals now often use). The get up did not look in any way shape or form official and was one of the amateurish weird things often pointed out (clumsy thick chemical gloves, cheapo mismatched holster, reflective stripe backpack) Just an alarming haphazard alarming look that does not match any official reason to ruse to be there., like he was cosplaying the Zodiac kiler or something.

Now what you suggest is often used by criminals whether a common porch pirate stealing a package or a hit-man masquerading as a LEO (think Minnesota political executions case where he dressed like a cop and flashed the light at the eye-level when they opened the door). It's very easy to do in both getting the gear and imitating behavior. I am surprised he didn't go cliche all black tactical ninja, or have a molle vest with a velcro patch on it (police/dea whatever) or just go the hazmat vest (removed so easily) and flashlight "M'am I here to check on a gas leak in the area". There seemed zero effort on both fronts here.

 

[Cblewife]

IMO, the masked person moves in a comfortable way & doesn’t seem stressed. His backpack is somewhat full, so I believe it was not a robbery or the backpack would most likely be empty.The intent was something different here. The way the person moves makes me feel like they walked her out carefully which keeps hope alive somehow in my mind.

I thought he/she looks very calm. Didn't stress over seeing the camera, no frantic movements. IMO, this type of demeanor would be helpful in getting an elderly person to cooperate with you.

 

[UsernameRequired]

Does anyone who was watching the evening that 3 Sheriiff’s deputies visited AG’s home in darkness and went inside the house and garage and used a flash camera and possibly Luminol testing know whether any of that Luminol testing was done in the driveway leading out of AG’s garage?

ETA: I think it was Brian Entin who provided video but I have not yet found that.

No, I didn't see any LE taking photos outside the home.

 

[ly502]

It has been suggested Nancy may have
a) had brain-fog or been groggy if she was woken up at 2am.
b) thought the man knocking was coming to collect her to take her to the church gathering

Alternatively, maybe Nancy didn't even think to check the cameras before opening.

Both of these suggestions

To be clear, those things were suggested by you.

a) I doubt she was still groggy by the time she got to the door (in your imaginary scenario). She walks slowly; it took a while.
b) I think she knew it wasn’t yet day light, so it’s very unlikely IMO she thought it was someone scheduled to pick her up.

Alternatively, I think it’s very unlikely she willingly opened the door unless she thought her family was in trouble.

Thank you! Those suggestions are just ageist and ridiculous

 

[LRinCA]

If the perpetrator did intend to kidnap her, wouldn't he/she have brought something to put over her head? A hood or cloth bag so she wouldn't have seen where she was going. Perhaps placed it over her head as she was sleeping (I'm sorry, a graphic image and all IMO/JMO).

As an aside, I wear hearing aids and once my hearing aids are out and I can actually get to sleep, I sleep pretty soundly. Without them, I can hear - but everything is muffled. If I was in the bedroom with the door of the bedroom closed, it's doubtful I would hear the doorbell ring. Of course, all hearing loss is different.

JMO
MOO

 

[PCHS]

I can think of a scenario that would cause me - also a senior lady living alone - to open that door - and that is if I could not see those things - if it was pitch black and i couldn’t see the person on the porch AND he said he was LE. So if the lights and camera were disabled first I might - but I would have a 9mm in one hand and a flashlight in the other and I would open it very cautiously even if I thought it was LE. Also note I’m not sure whether the full moon would allow enough light to see the mask or gun even if he lights and camera had already been disabled but if I did see that I certainly would not open it.

The only other scenario that I can think of that would cause me to open the door is if I recognized the voice of the person and they were pounding on the door and yelling through it that it was an emergency. In that case I might open it without even having tried to look out first - or grab my gun or flashlight.

I thought of law enforcement which is what that murderer did in MN (Melissa Hortman etc)- but the cameras showed he was disguised like one. This person was clearly not LE and not at all enticing to open the door to. No clue how they got in, but it seems they likely did and removed her and then here we are imo..

 

[su5ie]

There are so many possibilities here that every scenario has a pretty low probability of being right.

I get the impression this was targeted, as this guy came prepared. His actions with the doorbell camera don't indicate to me that he was overly familiar with that house.

It's almost as if he was told about it.

The ransom thing really throws this off. It doesn't appear that the FBI was buying it because that money was apparently not paid.

The demand occurred late in the proceedings, it was done bizarrely (reaching out to news outlets), and contained absolutely no proof of life. It looks to me like an afterthought, perhaps by an opportunist, or someone trying to mislead the investigation.

A kidnapper will most likely provide a photograph of the family's loved one being restrained . It terrorises the family into paying quickly. Which is what a captor wants . Swift transaction.

The longer the time spend in each others company the bigger the chance of dna transfer

This for me is the biggest indicator that the ransom notes are not connected to Nancy's disappearance

While Nancy is consider independent, she is also vulnerable due to age alone . The fact she needs a pacemaker indicates her heart is weak .

Over stimulation of the heart through exertion or panic puts her at a higher risk of a fatal heart attack hence her inability to walk far .

The term limited mobility is not only used for joints , it is also used for a person's ability for physical exertions

I feel it is fantasy to believe she left her home alive and I agree with your short synopsis of the ransom notes not correlating with the usual criteria seen in RL kidnapping scenarios

Times have changed in the way money is extracted from a victim but the blueprints remain the same

 

[HoveringWombats]

IMO- The perp seemed to be exploring the home, not executing a plan. In the front door video he didn't come prepared to cover the camera, but he improvises, then finally just takes it with him. I don't see him ever try the front door to see if it is unlocked.

BBM I don't think we would have seen that in the clips we have. Maybe he disabled/removed the camera before he tried that, but either way we don't have a complete end-to-end recording of his time at the front door, so we can't really say what he did or didn't try. JMO. (I don't really disagree with your overall conclusion, though.)

 

[submarine7]

If anybody followed the Adelson case, I'm wondering if last night's

Yes too much activity in and around AG's home. This visit looks a bit different the reel I watched several times via Fox showed items in a white (kitchen) trash bag as well as items contained within a brown grocery bag with handles. One of the people seemed interested in the mail box as well. Kinda looked like the family requesting certain items. But then I question why the family didn't send their privately employed investigator. Maybe the AG home is still under Pima Co control??

Any evidence would be moved in sealed evidence bags

 

[Curiousobserver]

For me, The Jacket has a lot of similarities to a Spyder - Ski jacket no hoodie. With the zipper and such.

I thought this one perhaps- Its a pack-n-go, easy to fit over other clothing, cheap, and lots of different styles, including with horizontal strips.

 

[Inthedetails]

Maybe he was testing to see if there was a motion sensor alarm, or floodlight in that coved entrance.

Yes, something like that.

But my theory falls apart when he takes NG away. WHY!?!

After all this time, I remain on the fence.

jmo

 

[fridaybaker]

Thinking that the fact that they released this guy is not a good harbinger of where they are in this case.

 

[NonnaBalogna]

Finally! I was trying to something recent about the pacemaker. Apologies if answered already. How far does the pacemaker need to be before disconnecting?

Answering my own question 30 feet