AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Tillicum]

The grabbing of some weeds/flowers to put up against the camera is SO odd that I've been considering the idea that this is a young man with very little experience in anything and/or a young man with mental issues of some type. The extreme weirdness of this case tends to make me lean toward the mental angle, at least on the part of the male on the video. MOO.

I have the luck to actually be in Tucson right now, so I've obviously been following it closely. I don't have any ties here (I'm on vacation) so I can't provide any insider info. But dang, who needs insider info when you have Brian Entin working like a dog!

What if he is mentally challenged? What if there's some young computer geeks that set him up. They could've planned out the whole thing, ransom and kidnapping. Starting out as a joke but later becoming a challenge to see if they can pull it off. Only they didn't plan for NG to pass from the trauma. So they had to improvise the ransom. I know it sounds farfetched but it would potentially cover all the bases IMO.

 

[Der Detektiv]

Walmart brand everything fits the bill of young, lacking money, inexperienced.

I’m not American so I don’t know much about Walmart. How does wearing that brand correlate to someone young and inexperienced?

 

[birdbox]

Good Lord, what is going on with this case ?!?!

Honestly, I cant recall a bigger street-circus shitshow of a case and I honestly hate it for this seemingly sweet, dear lady.

 

[GussiedCanoodler]

Possible explanation for bizarre behavior on camera:
1) Perp is startled by camera
2) knows someone might get an alert and look at the camera feed
3) has to think fast; blocks camera with hand (back of hand because he was grasping something?)
4) realizes anyone looking will still see a hand
5) decides to use flowers so that if someone looks, it looks natural

That's still not a good or likely explanation, but it's all I've got. Other idea is a calling card or it was meaningful to the perp (mentally ill?).

Perp may also have been on drugs.

 

[Der Detektiv]

What if he is mentally challenged? What if there's some young computer geeks that set him up. They could've planned out the whole thing, ransom and kidnapping. Starting out as a joke but later becoming a challenge to see if they can pull it off. Only they didn't plan for NG to pass from the trauma. So they had to improvise the ransom. I know it sounds farfetched but it would potentially cover all the bases IMO.

It’s an interesting theory. I feel though if the kidnapper was mentally challenged he would have said something to someone by now, unless he’s being held hostage himself.

 

[Fargo]

Family history question: I found a marriage license (ML20061578) in Pima County for AG and TC, married 4/7/2006. Pima County Superior Court - Agave Online (Public Record Search) At that time AG would have been 36 (DOB 1/1970) and TC 30 (DOB 6/1975). Were either of them married before or does either of them have now adult children from a previous marriage/relationship?

 

[BrittMontero]

Yes but it doesn't mean that is b/c he is so skilled, it just could mean they made more mistakes at this point then him...

So? What’s your point? Who’s prevailing at this very moment?

 

[thefragile7393]

Taken to Mexico by who?

IMO Mexico, cartels, Epstein, and Iranian cells are not part of the events. They just do not have anything to do with SG or NG IMO. No known ties to anything like these things.

 

[Tugb0ats]

Can someone clarify why the Amazon package is still sitting there unopened? I would think it would be important to confirm whether it contains anything relevant to the case. With all the letters and ransom notes they are reporting showing up after the night NG went missing, please help a gal understand why they wouldn’t look in it? And take it away?

Good point. If she was abducted 11 days ago, and most Amazon deliveries come within a couple of days, then confirming when and by whom that order was placed seems pretty significant.

 

[GussiedCanoodler]

Family history question: I found a marriage license (ML20061578) in Pima County for AG and TC, married 4/7/2006. Pima County Superior Court - Agave Online (Public Record Search) At that time AG would have been 36 (DOB 1/1970) and TC 30 (DOB 6/1975). Were either of them married before or does either of them have now adult children from a previous marriage/relationship?

I was wondering that as well but are we allowed to sleuth family members?

 

[txsleuth70]

What if he is mentally challenged? What if there's some young computer geeks that set him up. They could've planned out the whole thing, ransom and kidnapping. Starting out as a joke but later becoming a challenge to see if they can pull it off. Only they didn't plan for NG to pass from the trauma. So they had to improvise the ransom. I know it sounds farfetched but it would potentially cover all the bases IMO.

He's not mentally challenged, he's just not a mastermind IMO.

 

[Der Detektiv]

How did Nancy get her meds? Were they delivered by Amazon?

 

[tkcrockett]

I’m not American so I don’t know much about Walmart. How does wearing that brand correlate to someone young and inexperienced?

I believe it’s more about finances. Walmart is generally not expensive. Someone may come along and correct me though

 

[NervousNellie]

I’m so confused. Did I use that word somewhere in a post?

You did not. The op somehow got your handle in their reply to another member. Strange.

 

[planet]

MOO
Speculation and theory:
After researching and reading a few theories and watching this most recent video, I do not think this was an intentional kidnapping or murder. I think the person was sent/hired to scare her. Then things went terribly wrong and then staging of the scene happened after the fact in the 40 minutes or before the pace maker disconnected. Now we are left to put the pieces together which is why none of what we see makes sense. Ransom notes are just opportunists trying to cash in and not related at all. I thought this from the beginning but after watching the video, I feel more strongly about this. I don’t think camera was removed right after this video of the perp but possibly after the situation went very wrong but not totally sure on that one.

My reasoning for this:
1. He’s way too nonchalant on camera for a kidnapping and really appears to inexperienced (weapon placement, foliage to cover the camera, body language)
2. He seems to want to be seen on the camera. Maybe not for police and the public but for Nancy to see him given that he does not know how this “scare” ends up.
3. He’s in the house for a long time based on the timeline given by police.
4. Blood on porch appears as if it was dripped (staged)
5. All of his “get up” appears to be newly purchased with the intention of looking scary. Weapon was placed where it was awkwardly so it was clearly visible. Not holstered on the hip which is more common.

Again, just my thoughts and MOO but things just do not add up at all.

I agree with some of this. Think about the calculus of risk and complexity vs. payout. Kidnapping seems like a high-risk, complicated, messy affair with a low liklihood of success (whatever the goal) and a high liklihood of things going sideways quickly. It seems mad, frankly. Why risk it?

Defrauding seniors of their retirement over the phone seems like a less risky and "more likely to succeed" approach to extortion. (I'm not endorsing this.) That's me assuming that the goal of a kidnapping is extortion.

I think this was something else, went sideways, and became an unplanned kidnapping.

However @ssarahbg : What goal do you think was driving a strategy of scaring her? To what end?

 

[Der Detektiv]

I believe it’s more about finances. Walmart is generally not expensive. Someone may come along and correct me though

I understand that, but surely you’d want to buy cheap as you’re going to be getting rid of the clothes afterwards. Start wearing them about town and it rings alarm bells. Going the cheap route makes sense.

 

[GussiedCanoodler]

I believe it’s more about finances. Walmart is generally not expensive. Someone may come along and correct me though

Walmart is cheap and easily accessible. Not sure how that would necessarily point to someone young or inexperienced though (is there a go-to store preferred by high status criminals? Idk)

 

[Mayor Perk]

5) decides to use flowers so that if someone looks, it looks natural

I think this is a good theory and the only one that makes much sense to me for why the perp bothered to pick the flowers out of the ground and hold them up against the camera. It's a poor strategy for obstructing the camera view and I don't think would really fool anyone. It's interesting the perp did not have a better strategy for dealing with the Nest camera from the get-go. Like shaving cream for instance.

 

[gitana1]

Is it just me or did masked guy at the door walk and move so calmly almost reluctantly. Or so calmly, more indifferent like a hit man. Like im clocking in, dont really feel like doing this vs today. Almost like a sort of non character lazy-ish hit man.

Sort of. He seemed entitled, to me. Like he felt entitled to be there and felt no remorse or even much concern that he would be caught. Psychopathic.

 

[Onlyguessing23]

If that could happen, would it still record once removed if it was a wired door bell vs a battery operated one? Our doorbell is wired & if power is out I don't believe it records, however our garage camera is battery & records when the power is out even though we can't view it until our Wi-Fi comes back up.

So, according to Google Nest Support page, a battery powered (newer) doorbell model can continue to record when removed fromWiFi range until the battery runs down. The recorded information will upload to the system once the unit is back in WiFi range. So, if found, it could hold some helpful information.