Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[nycpizzaparty]

I am wondering about drugs and alcohol use/addiction.

Yes the part that feels off is someone young, inexperienced, or mentally ill/ intellectually impaired who is acting in a way he thinks a criminal would behave, dress, etc. Maybe based on TV or movies. Not the real world. But it is very poorly done. This is what feels off to you,

Yes his comfort level was not from overtraining and confidence like you would see with an experienced criminal, or highly trained military etc. And they would understand the importance of the task ahead of them. The serious consequences for failure, etc.

So we are looking perhaps at a teen or young 20’s male. Someone whose frontal lobe is not yet developed completely so is reckless, poor judgement, cannot envision consequences or seriousness of behavior. Add a great deal of testosterone in a person who does not yet know how to handle that in socially appropriate ways. And drugs or alcohol.

Unfortunately, the risk assessment of this type of person is not good.

Interesting in terms of the gun.
Did you see the gun on this guy in the initial frames?
And then later he moves it?
Or did someone hand it to him do you think.

There are many ways to act threatening with a gun.
He choses to use a highly sexualized placement.

I think maybe a meth user. But they were crafty enough to not show any of their own skin which takes planning.

 

[milkshakedonkey]

Fox has been allowed in this thread but that video was also already posted.

 

[PCHS]

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I think LE has more from the Nest video than just what they've released. It's possible they have everything the camera picked up until it was torn down. Maybe they detained the person yesterday based on something else. And what about the camera that was noticed on NG's roof a day or two later. Was it functioning and who put it there. The homeowner? I saw someone wondering if it was put there by the perp/s to see the routine and coming and goings.

Oh I would certainly think there is more..and they didn't release the whole thing.

 

[HoveringWombats]

The Guthries' ransom demand is in Bitcoins for a reason

Ransom notes for Savannah Guthrie's mom demanded millions in Bitcoin. Here's why criminals like it.

www.usatoday.com

Says you can’t trace it to an individual. Only to an account.

This has been discussed a bunch previously in this thread, accessible via search, so I won't rehash details. In short:

Simply sending money to a bitcoin wallet (or, conversely, the person receiving funds in a bitcoin wallet) does not do anything like instantly make them traceable. They can leave it sitting in the wallet forever and not be found (there are exceptions). And could potentially spend it as bitcoin and not be found (though that's pretty risky).

However, converting bitcoin to USD or other fiat currency is generally traceable to an individual (with some caveats and fine print). This is where most of these people get caught.

 

[Black eyed pea]

wondering now if the perp could have worn two pairs of gloves. like for whatever reason. it could screw any hope of DNA if it's the outer pair we found. otoh, maybe someone who knows gloves could tell us that it's pretty hard to do because of friction or whatever.

Was wondering the same thing!

 

[cbaymult]

I think maybe a meth user. But they were crafty enough to not show any of their own skin which takes planning.

Too fat for meth user

 

[LRinCA]

ok as if it wasn't borderline absurd/ridiculous before, it's beyond pathetic sadness now.

there is video (on fox so i can't post it) of the driver of a white SUV pulling up to LE this afternoon claiming to be a G family PI. LE clearly waves him through, so either the driver is lying, the family is lying, and/or LE is completely incompetent. or it wasn't a PI at all, and LE is covering up who was really there...

mass media video shows a calm, slow-walking person rambling to NG's front door (without 'blood trickle' behind) in the middle of the night, trying to hide the nest/ring cam with...weeds? seriously? then the cam disappears? c'mon. this is a joke. if anyone can find a verified time stamp of the 'intruder' on a stolen camera/google cloud, i still won't belive it.

no claim/verification of AG/SIL's car being towed, but LE's been to the house at least a handful of times. they're finally going into the foothills to search miles of cacti, yet two days ago they're looking into sceptic tanks on the property. ok.

it's what we don't know at this point we should be focused on.

From what I understand, we can post links to Fox for this story only right now.

 

[submarine7]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2021767105591607415

People are so odd
I wonder who started that rumor that I fell for.

 

[cbaymult]

Was wondering the same thing!

The gloved hands did look extremely thick

 

[Der Detektiv]

Too fat for meth user

It’s been suggested the perp is wearing a few layers underneath.

 

[SlimPickens]

They don't send a SWAT team or get a warrant to search a house because of a tip of the person apprehended last night looking similar to this person. IMO LE had to have had other convincing concerns and information about this person (e.g. their movements, their vehicles, their cell phone activity, pings by NG's house while delivering packages, relative saying they were acting suspicious, etc) for a judge to okay the warrant and for the SWAT team to be deployed. JMHO

Judges almost certainly feel public pressure too, and I bet sometimes even get anxious themselves about a popular true crime's outcomes. This judge could've been given IP coordinates that were spoofed to this guy and found it compelling enough to deliver the warrant. Particularly if the guy had been in the general area at some point in the general timeframe (geofencing or whatever they call that).

My understanding is the guy was actually cleared. Stated so by LE. That isn't something they would say if they didn't know for sure, because a prosecutor would have to deal with an onslaught of reasonable doubt, and a jury pool who probably knows enough about law and this case to draw skepticism.

JMO.

 

[white rabbit]

@ ellis' mom, i did not see the link to where AG's car was towed, my apologies...and i agree with much of your post - if LE can neither confirm or deny where entry was after from the get-go claimed there was forced entry...eye roll...

again, to me what stands out is what they're backtracking on and what they won't/can't/shouldn't tell us...

 

[NothingToSeeHere]

Would a family have to wait for someone to be declared dead before selling a home, or is the years-long wait just for things like life insurance?

Fair point. I’m trying to follow the money, but this is a head-scratcher. Maybe it could be years before there is a financial benefit, or maybe not long if some assets can be liquidated earlier. Maybe, big picture, the plan went terribly off the rails, or maybe this has nothing at all to do with money. All MOO.

 

[milkshakedonkey]

People are so odd
I wonder who started that rumor that I fell for.

It wasn’t a rumor. Someone in a white vehicle went to the house today and put up signs and said they were hired in some capacity (perhaps misstated) by the family. It’s on video.

 

[HerNameWasBuffy]

Would a family have to wait for someone to be declared dead before selling a home, or is the years-long wait just for things like life insurance?

IANAL but I believe it would depend on how the revokable trust is set up. Someone earlier in this thread posted info on the house from property records and it indicated it was owned by NG in a revokable trust. There is usually a clause about control of the asset if the owner is no longer capable of managing their affairs.

 

[Wsimm]

ok as if it wasn't borderline absurd/ridiculous before, it's beyond pathetic sadness now.

there is video (on fox so i can't post it) of the driver of a white SUV pulling up to LE this afternoon claiming to be a G family PI. LE clearly waves him through, so either the driver is lying, the family is lying, and/or LE is completely incompetent. or it wasn't a PI at all, and LE is covering up who was really there...

mass media video shows a calm, slow-walking person rambling to NG's front door (without 'blood trickle' behind) in the middle of the night, trying to hide the nest/ring cam with...weeds? seriously? then the cam disappears? c'mon. this is a joke. if anyone can find a verified time stamp of the 'intruder' on a stolen camera/google cloud, i still won't belive it.

no claim/verification of AG/SIL's car being towed, but LE's been to the house at least a handful of times. they're finally going into the foothills to search miles of cacti, yet two days ago they're looking into sceptic tanks on the property. ok.

it's what we don't know at this point we should be focused on.

This video is posted here in the thread but pages back. It was reported the guy in white van was a private investigator hired by the Guthrie’s. It has since been reported false. I took note of the video shared here because the supposed investigator had a cigar in his mouth and for a moment, it reminded me of the flashlight in the suspect’s mouth. That’s how my brain works?

 

[meade]

Possible explanation for bizarre behavior on camera:
1) Perp is startled by camera
2) knows someone might get an alert and look at the camera feed
3) has to think fast; blocks camera with hand (back of hand because he was grasping something?)
4) realizes anyone looking will still see a hand
5) decides to use flowers so that if someone looks, it looks natural

That's still not a good or likely explanation, but it's all I've got. Other idea is a calling card or it was meaningful to the perp (mentally ill?).

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2021770885515083845

 

[NothingToSeeHere]

IANAL but I believe it would depend on how the revokable trust is set up. Someone earlier in this thread posted info on the house from property records and it indicated it was owned by NG in a revokable trust. There is usually a clause about control of the asset if the owner is no longer capable of managing their affairs.

Thank you, I recall the document showing the revocable trust but don’t know much about how those work. That’s an interesting angle IMO.

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2021764635175924226