Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[stmichael]

SBMFF

I do not think he ever used the gun at Nancy’s (unless he pistol whipped her in the face to cause nose bleed or something).

If she had been shot, there would have been far more blood, and doorstep/front walk would have looked much different.

My opinion and conjecture only.

There was no firearm discharged as far as we know and investigators would know this definitely. He would not be able to clean up a gunshot wound or even bullet holes/GSR/evidence in that time.

One of my theories in the amateurish/rag-tag presentation of the person on the Nest cam footage is that it was not a live firearm but perhaps a replica/airsoft he had in that mis-matched holster that was used for intimidation/coercion of an 84-year-old woman. Had he had to actually use the sidearm he would have trouble even getting his finger inside the trigger guard with those awkward gloves.

 

[connie9030]

Do you have a source?

I would have thought most modern cameras would have night-vision enabled.

Some high-end cameras offer "color night vision," but this usually requires some ambient light.Most houses sit too far off the road to capture anything. As far as a source about the lighting conditions in the neighborhood, here is one:

NG's Catalina Foothills neighborhood near Tucson is described by residents as "pitch black" and incredibly dark at night, with minimal lighting due to local, down-facing light pollution ordinances. The remote, spread-out area features dense desert scrub, long driveways, and no streetlights, hindering surveillance, say USA Today and BBC News.

 

[Ellis' Mom]

agree to disagree. LE never cordoned off the 'crime scene' on the front walk from day one. nor will they confirm which door(s) were entered or exited, plus they walked back the 'forced entry' comments.

has anyone found a link to confirm/deny/report that AG/SIL's car was towed/evidenced? pure question. they towed NG's car, you'd think they towed the last car in which she was allegedly a passenger...

Okay, but I'm not sure what I said that you're disagreeing with. I've only stated that I don't believe the FBI et. al. created the video "yesterday" to mess with the perps (though they probably messing with them in other ways) because:
-The blood was not there in the videos released yesterday.
-The doorbell was missing and blood was there late morning on February 1st (and is probably still there).

IMHO--releasing the crime scene after one day was CRAZY.
No one has confirmed which door(s) were entered/exited or if there was forced entry.
We have very little factual evidence from LE.

AG/SILs car was towed per AB via LE (I don't trust AB...but second link confirms WS mods consider this verified):

Nancy Guthrie update: Sheriff responds after Annie Guthrie car sparks rumor

A sheriff said a car was processed as part of standard practices as officials continue investigating Nancy Guthrie’s disappearance

www.newsweek.com

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Feb 4, 2026

BREAKING NEWS....TRYING TO VERIFY NOW!!!! Will check back in a few minutes!

Notes from the video (all of this info comes from Banfield’s unnamed LE source):

- The cameras were Nest cameras and were smashed

- <modsnip: Removed reference to information that has NOT been confirmed by LE> — police have towed the car belonging AG and impounded it as evidence

- Blood was found inside

- Her Apple Watch was left in the home

- The back door of the home was left wide open

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[GMG1999]

It is either something happened to her unexpectedly or the kidnappers are afraid they will be busted if they try to send proof of life. Digital forensics is very sophisticated these days especially when FBI is involved.

But wouldn't they be busted if the ransom was paid and then they accessed it?

 

[loves2readhistory]

Can someone clarify why the Amazon package is still sitting there unopened? I would think it would be important to confirm whether it contains anything relevant to the case. With all the letters and ransom notes they are reporting showing up after the night NG went missing, please help a gal understand why they wouldn’t look in it? And take it away?

Why was a reporter allowed up there in first place. They stopped having guards on site—need them to patrol miles of roadside for ‘clues’.
This is a f’d investigation

 

[nycpizzaparty]

It took about 3 weeks in the Kohberger case, but they did it because they knew it had to belong to the perpetrator. Here they've got a pair of gloves, which could have a bunch of innocent explanations.

Unless they have more information, I can't see them doing that.

But who knows, they may have found something in the house (blood, touch DNA on a particular relevant object).

I think if the gloves have NG's DNA, then if there is DNA from second person on the glove too - they pursue that as fast as possible.

 

[Lebowski]

It took about 3 weeks in the Kohberger case, but they did it because they knew it had to belong to the perpetrator. Here they've got a pair of gloves, which could have a bunch of innocent explanations.

Unless they have more information, I can't see them doing that.

But who knows, they may have found something in the house (blood, touch DNA on a particular relevant object).

yeah, i suppose they might be able to accelerate a lot of the steps, and just ordinarily don't because they're usually applying it to cold cases.

 

[EJB123456]

Trust me it's there . The 27 second one . Walks up, puts hand to camera , walks back to porch entrance , takes a step to the right, picks up rope. Starts walking back to door

Trust us, it’s lantana

 

[simlyme]

Nope. It’s flowers. Lantana to be specific

OMG!! You're right . I thought he got the plant from the right side of the door that was in a vase.
Good thing I've been here since day 1 and watched all the videos over and over again on a big screen
PLEASE DISREGARD MY POST ABOUT THE ROPE!!!

 

[MassGuy]

I think if the gloves have NG's DNA, then if there is DNA from second person on the glove too - they pursue that as fast as possible.

Oh for sure. But absent that, I don’t see it.

 

[txsleuth70]

It took about 3 weeks in the Kohberger case, but they did it because they knew it had to belong to the perpetrator. Here they've got a pair of gloves, which could have a bunch of innocent explanations.

Unless they have more information, I can't see them doing that.

But who knows, they may have found something in the house (blood, touch DNA on a particular relevant object).

@MassGuy, but it's only ONE glove, right? Not a pair? Or is this new info?

 

[PayrollNerd]

Our bumbling perp probably thought there was medicine, jewelry and cash in an elderly ladies home. So an easy target to grab and go. Except it didn’t turn out they as expected.

I’m thinking he, with or without another perp, helped her walk out the front door into a vehicle that was nearby. Took her to a friend’s place, or a family member for safekeeping. They’re all lying low figuring out what to do.

There’s some medicines that are critical, like blood thinners, that are important but won’t cause immediate death. Elderly people have thin skin which injures easily and if she’s on blood thinners, then the drops of blood are not necessarily a catastrophic wound. So my guess is it isn’t insulin whereby death is rather certain after so many days.

 

[armchairagatha]

But wouldn't they be busted if the ransom was paid and then they accessed it?

I don’t know enough about bitcoin wallets to answer this. I think you can check if a wallet “ID” is valid but whether you can track who it belongs to, I don’t know. I have heard of bitcoin being used to pay killers for hire and such because it is untraceable but that may be incorrect.

 

[milkshakedonkey]

@MassGuy, but it's only ONE glove, right? Not a pair? Or is this new info?

Latest report I saw said two gloves were found. Will see if I can find it. Was in the last few pages.

 

[loves2readhistory]

So the article says that Carlos stated he was detained because a relative of his called in a tip that said that Carlos' eyes looked like the guy in the video released by the FBI at NG's front door.

Someone looking for reward money or grudge

 

[txsleuth70]

Not today. The

I think there are quite a few pranksters sending deliveries to Nancy’s door. Yesterday it was Domino’s pizza, today it’s an Amazon parcel.

Not today. The Amazon package showed up Day 2.

 

[maskedwoman]

I’m not American and have not studied your geography, so I’m not sure how I was supposed to know this.

We don't know the geography to the detail either. America is very large, so we are used to using google maps for everything.

 

[swanniee11]

It wasn't there at the night of the kidnapping but why it wasn't collected is beyond me. It could be a regular order or it could have something from the kidnapper.

I first noticed it on a video when a reporter videoed the front door after the crime scene was opened back up, it could have come from anywhere but it still bugs me.

 

[Bluewing3102]

If anyone has worked at large department store (specifically Walmart) please let me know if:

Is there a system to track and examine transactions that occurred at the store? Maybe by checking inventory logs? If we've deduced 3/4 of the suspects outfit is walmart brand. Theoretically could a Tucson based Walmart check for a transaction that contained these items? Then compare timestamp of transaction to camera footage? Or see if it's linked to a specific debit/credit card?

 

[MassGuy]

@MassGuy, but it's only ONE glove, right? Not a pair? Or is this new info?

New info. So there was a black glove found on the side of the road this afternoon. It was like 1.5 miles from Nancy’s house.

These two gloves were apparently found much closer.