AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[SeattleStew]

Thinking just because they have DNA doesn't mean they will get a match right away. Genetic genealogy may be needed to identify the DNA, which can take days or longer, and certain ethnic populations can be really really hard to track because DNA testing for genealogical reasons is fairly uncommon and underrepresented. IMO.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2022313869637517646

 

[acutename]

Many of us probably disagree with being armed inside our homes and that's ok, no need to debate. That being said, I think it is wise to own a firearm, be trained to use it if and only if needed, and encourage our family members to do the same. I'm not comfortable around firearms because I'm not trained. However my young adult daughter is and she carries.
If I were comfortable and trained and was met with an intruder like this case, I would have no problem protecting myself.
Just my opinion and thoughts

I doubt that people alone in their home lock their bedroom doors but maybe that in itself would slow down an intruder and provide time to make a call...also- did NG have hearing aids? If you go to sleep and can't hear- not good. And lastly, shouldn't there be an alarm or notice if flood lights are broken? Could have been done on another occasion... curious if these intruders(s) were at this property more than once though the doorbell guy did not seem to know that the doorbell cam was there- and prior to the video release, no one knew that he handled the lantana but WSers were asking about the broken vegetation from day 1.

 

[nerosleuth]

Seems to me - and I know nothing- that the camera porch guy may not have been trying to get in the house. Perhaps two bad guys are involved. Both, perhaps, went in back and did whatever they did in the house. In my scenario, porch guy came out to front to meet bad guy 2 and help remove Nancy from the house. Forgot the camera was there and then had to deal with it. Backpack could be full of “stuff” from inside - not full of burglary/kidnap tools. Thoughts?

My current thinking is that 2 to 4 people were involved in committing this crime at NG's home.

I'm thinking a getaway driver acting as a lookout, the camera porch guy, and two other people that were inside NG's house.

Was someone trying to frighten NG into giving up her homestead and move? Or was it a home invasion and kidnapping situation that went horribly wrong unexpectedly?

 

[girlhasnoname]

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Not Dove Mountain. She’s in the Catalina Foothills.

Thanks, so the Santa Catalina Mountains (South) not the Tortolita Mountains (North) of Tucson.

 

[Walela]

Can someone recall discussion about track marks at the front of Nancy's home? I'm trying to find it in the thread, I think around the time someone brought up a wheelchair (which we are pretty certain Nancy wasn't using).

Could those marks be from a suitcase - maybe one of her suitcases is missing? Though still seems odd considering this with the blood trail given its likely she sneezed or coughed up that blood

IIRC the wheel tracks discussion started with speculation about what might be wheelchair tracks. Try searching the thread for wheelchair. Or trashcan or wheelbarrow...there were several things mentioned as "could be".

 

[penguinface]

I'm not a subscriber. I just read it. It was not behind a paywall for me.

I think it might be paywalled in the USA and maybe other countries, but free to access from the UK? (and possibly other places too, IDK!)

edit: or like someone says below, might be that they lure you in with some freebies, like Dr Nick O’Teen, but personally, I’ve never had any problems reading Daily Beast articles here in the UK.

 

[captdj]

Infared does weird things with color. Dark hair looks light, eye color looks different. It's weird. I think it would take someone very used to that to make an educated guess as to what the colors actually are.

Yea you're correct I can stop looking for a gray and black bag now that it's been ID.

 

[Former Reporter]

I'm not a subscriber. I just read it. It was not behind a paywall for me.

They offer you a few free articles to get you hooked, then slap up the paywall.

 

[scandiamerican]

I’m still smarting from jumping on the Tepe friends who it seemed one of them walked like, another had habitual hat adjusting motions like, one wore Chelsea type boots like, and another appeared to look like the suspect from the slight glimpse of facial features we had, as shown on the video released of the suspected killer only to find out it was nowhere near those guys.

Sooo it seems lots of folks look and have features like other folks!



All imo

How many times now has this guy been interviewed about this? (Attaching an image from the first one I saw.) It seems fishy he’s just hanging out over there repeatedly, waiting for chances to say it is the SIL who did it. He lives 15 minutes’ drive from there, he said in the first one.

MOO

 

[Wsimm]

Snipped by me - This poster made a very interesting observation. It does look like the man appears to make a fist to possibly knock / bang on Nancy's door before honing in on the camera.

That’s been my impression all along. His first intention was a knock and then a function from the camera distracted him. Did he expect the camera to be already disabled for some reason?

 

[PCHS]

IIRC the wheel tracks discussion started with speculation about what might be wheelchair tracks. Try searching the thread for wheelchair. Or trashcan or wheelbarrow...there were several things mentioned as "could be".

I think given blood trail and drops it is more likely she walked out..jmo

 

[knla]

Would LE know exactly how those nest cameras were disconnected?

From what I read you disconnect them from an app on your phone.
Is there any other way you can disconnect them?

If a stranger disconnected them from Nancy's phone then she would probably have had to participate in doing that either that or someone close to her would be able to access her phone to do that.

There are deauthentication hacks that can disconnect surveillance cameras.

Wireless Deauthentication Attacks - Cybr!

 

[imstilla.grandma]

TUCSON, Ariz. (NewsNation) — An FBI official tells NewsNation that Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos is blocking federal agents from accessing key evidence in the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie, hindering the bureau’s ability to assist in the case.

The evidence includes a glove discovered inside Nancy Guthrie’s home and DNA samples — described as “basically all the evidence” in the case so far, according to the FBI source. The sheriff sent the evidence to a private lab in Florida for testing instead of allowing the FBI to send it to its laboratory in Quantico, Virginia.

“We had to ask them to help, they didn’t ask us,” the FBI source said, adding that the bureau will have to test the evidence again after getting it back from Florida, which will take more time. “This is dumb,” the source said. “It’s insane.”

Sheriff in Nancy Guthrie case withholding key evidence, FBI says

“This is dumb,” the source told NewsNation, adding that the bureau stepped in at the sheriff’s request. “The FBI wants to find Nancy.”

www.newsnationnow.com

 

[acutename]

BBM. But was it idyllic? It's not possible to know what really goes on in people's homes or relationships behind closed doors. We may feel like we know people or their families because we see them on TV or Instagram or other media but those curated images are merely what people want other people to see. Maybe close to the truth, maybe a thousand miles from it. IMO

I really think if there was some sort of family discord the other siblings would have known IMO.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Thinking just because they have DNA doesn't mean they will get a match right away. Genetic genealogy may be needed to identify the DNA, which can take days or longer, and certain ethnic populations can be really really hard to track because DNA testing for genealogical reasons is fairly uncommon and underrepresented. IMO.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2022313869637517646

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Interesting they're going back as far as Jan 1st. That's good.

 

[Nikynoo]

Now that LE has recovered footage from NG nest cam, they are asking neighbors to look through their security cameras from several weeks back. Maybe because LE has more video they haven’t released of mask guy from a previous visit.

Why would mask guy show up to NG house more than once? Well maybe the last time(s) didn’t work out for what they intended.

The gun really stands out to me. It looks ridiculous. It’s right there in front like they want to terrify NG and make sure she sees it.

It sounds like home invasion robberies are basically nonexistent in NG neighborhood.

So why would someone show up more than once, with an obvious weapon, and not intending to rob NG? Well maybe they only meant to frighten her. Maybe this whole thing started out to cause anxiety and fear but NG fell, or had a cardiac event and passed. Mask guy panics. No harm was supposed to come to NG! He hauls her body out of there and dumps it.

Ok, so who might want to frighten NG like this? To what end? Maybe to scare her out of living alone in that big house. Maybe she was needing a lot of help and local family was tired of it, maybe they wanted her to sell the house because they need money.

LE keeps circling back to a certain family members home which, to me, says they are suspicious of something. Maybe neither one is mask guy, but they paid a 3rd person. LE is trying to figure out who that 3rd person is because that’s the weakest link to this whole situation.

Those 2 won’t talk, and putting pressure will only make them lawyer up. The digital trail doesn’t have any slam dunks. NG could be anywhere. Therefore, they really need to figure out who that 3rd party is.

This is a little disjointed but I’m talking through my thoughts. All MOO.

A different take on your theory. Perhaps a third party wants to buy that house but NG wouldn’t leave?

 

[PCHS]

That’s been my impression all along. His first intention was a knock and then a function from the camera distracted him. Did he expect the camera to be already disabled for some reason?

When I look at it seemed to me that he saw the light and brought his hand/fist up to block his face and also moved to see if he could bump it off the door somehow and then when that didn't work he decided to find something to macgyver up (aka the flowers) to block the camera JMO

 

[SaraSmile]

The number of elderly people who forget their medication is staggering. You think they should be out of refills but they’ll tell you they have two months worth left. And it’s not always just silly things that they forget to take like their allergy medicine. A lot of times it’s their heart medication or their anticoagulants.

Agree, I really don’t think she passed from lack of meds, just sayin”, sorry to say. I think it was more of an abrupt end to her life, but Why?

Cold turkey, stopping Gabapentin can lead to seizures. Blood thinners, probably take a while to cause an issue. Pacemaker would still work if she is alive( small shock if heart needs it, to regulate ) just not recording data to phone ( left behind).

I don’t remember if she is diabetic? Lack of insulin can be fatal for some, in a few days…

She was on meds that were very common for an elderly in “good” health. IIRC, She did not need major drugs, ie for cancer.

Doctor’s daughter here, we talk health, meds, so general knowledge here only.

JMO

 

[warp3dwing]

I couldn't figure out which post to reply to because there have been a few that touched on aspects of this, so I will just start clean... Only my opinions in this post from here forward.

If we're talking about (unproven) theories that the ransom note came from the same party or parties who are seen on camera, I really think that we shouldn't over-index on the "bitcoin" aspect of this whole thing.

Two reasons:

First, I fundamentally disagree that the bitcoin wallet address in the ransom note is a sign of sophistication. I think we (mostly) all agree that it would take sophistication to successfully pull of a bitcoin ransom, but that is not what has happened here. I personally find it entirely plausible that someone basically googled how to get money anonymously, saw "bitcoin" referenced, learned just enough to create a wallet, and used that in the letter. And similarly Googled how to hide their origin on the internet, and used one of those more shady VPN services or Tor (which may not obscure the origin forever, but can make it take much longer to track down).

Maybe they are one of those people who are just good at getting out of sticky situations, so they assume that they'll be able to successfully deal with laundering the bitcoin later (probably wrong if they don't already know how to do it). Or maybe they're too clueless to even know that that will be an issue. Maybe they haven't given it any thought at all.

I just don't think that we can conclude that the person who wrote those letters knows what they are doing technically, because the only things they have demonstrated so far are things that many if not most people could do after a bit of googling. The hard parts (laundering the bitcoin, and keeping the internet origin hidden forever) are not things that they have demonstrated an ability to do yet. Time will tell, I suppose.

Second, even if we do assume that the person who wrote the notes is technically sophisticated, I don't really think that says much about their skills in terms of real-world breaking and entering and kidnapping. It's a trope at this point that people who are "good at computers" are geniuses, but as someone who IS good at computers, I assure you that there are countless things that I am an absolute idiot at. Technology is just a skill (or talent, if you want) like any other, and I don't think that being good at it really has any correlation with being good at other stuff.

Yeah, you could argue that being technical implies being detail-oriented, and you could say that the person on camera doesn't appear to be detail-oriented. But I'm not really sure the generalization applies. I think of myself as a detail-oriented person (maybe not demonstrated by the number of mistakes and typos I make here while trying to keep up with the thread...), and I'm pretty sure that if I tried to pull off something like this, there would be many "real world" considerations I didn't think of until I encountered them in the wild.

Anyway, all that to say, I don't think that we can conclude that the person on the camera is not the person who wrote the notes simply based on any assumption of sophistication either technically or real-world criminally.

I'm not trying to say "it could be anyone!!!" (has anyone heard if I have been cleared yet?!) but I just don't want us to incorrectly narrow our profile of who it could be based on assumptions that may not hold up.

And, just to state it plainly: I am not convinced that the ransom note writer and the person on camera are in any way related. I'm just saying that I don't think the evidence we have disproves it conclusively, so we shouldn't close that door completely.

All JMO of course.

It seems to me that the crime wasn’t very well thought out at all if it was a ransom abduction, as evidenced by the perpetrator not receiving the money. You gotta show evidence of life.

I remember back during the whole Luigi Mangioni debacle that people suspected he was this criminal mastermind, possibly at the behest of foreign cabals who whisked him away on a secret jet.

Then the picture of him at the hostel came out…

Then he was picked up at McDonald’s with his manifesto on him…

Turns out, he was just quite lucky, for a while.

 

[logical]

The perpetrator likely had access to NG’s phone in the house to turn off the cameras.

Even with no password, he could have used Face ID by holding the phone in front of NG.

Why he would approach the front camera from the outside and be captured on it versus opening the front door from inside and covering and disabling it doesn’t make a lot of sense…. Unless he thought it was already off because he turned it off in the app.