AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[SaraSmile]

I don’t know the exact ins and outs of the process used in the Idaho case but from what I gather the knife sheath DNA matched to a cousin in a genealogy database and then investigators used a family tree with that cousin to get to BK’s parents. They then obtained DNA from BK’s dad and found it was a parent-offspring match.

I understand that family tree records definitely can have problems/errors and there’s even issues with official historical records (such as how at a certain point in time if a Native American woman was married to a white man and living in “white society”, Census workers would mark her race as white. Even if she was actually half or full NA.)

If while referencing the tree the investigators had found say, Dick and Jane Doe in Florida instead of BK’s parents in Pennsylvania, as long as they legally obtained a sample of Dick’s DNA to test against the knife sheath DNA (and obviously found it wasn’t a close parent-offspring match so didn’t proceed further) I guess I’m not seeing an issue with it?

Moo

Re BK. It was pretty fast, re genetic geneology party of case. They had the clues to search Dad’s trash.

LE got Dad’s DNA from PA trash can, to confirm they had it right. BK lived there, too. BK was fastidious about separating his own trash, putting in neighbors can, etc. they did not find BKs DNA in trashcan.
BKs DNA on knife sheath, matched “son” of Dads DNA, Bingo! They later confirmed, “ directly” with a swab of BK’s own mouth, matched sheath!

JMO

 

[BenjaminJAndersonAlly]

I had not seen the narrow tracks in front of the house before. My first thought -- sorry for the graphic visualization -- is that it's about the width of a person, making me wonder if the marks could have been made by the dragging feet of a person?

At the same time, it's hard to imagine that LE wouldn't have seen the tracks immediately and been all over them looking for dropped items or DNA evidence. So maybe the tracks were not there immediately after the crime and instead were made by some LE equipment or the legs of a media tripod?

MOO

Or by the pizza delivery man, or the Amazon delivery guy, and on and on … At this point, who knows. **face palm**

 

[Cryptic]

Agreed.

I think the crime could be related to roofers, roofer adjacent, or other specialty contractor, she had work done, even going back a couple of years. Some beef with them, or they just got the idea to harm her, no idea why.

I fully agree with your possibility that the perpetrators could be former contractors, including roofers.

Given the apparent level of preparation for the crime, however, I don't think the crime was the result of spontaneous rage. Likewise, I think the odds of a long standing dispute are lessened by the wealth of SG.

A dispute with contractors would have most likely been about money. SG's wealth would enable her to price out of shady contractors, as well as to be able to absorb cost over runs etc- even if the over runs were contrived.

SG is also a Georgetown lawyer. With that level of analytical mind, I cant see her getting sucked into what for her would be a minor money dispute with contractors. Rather, I could see her doing the following in regards to contrived over runs:

The roofing contract was for 30K- now they want 45k after making additional needed / "needed" repairs to the joists in Mom's house? Yeah, right, it sounds off. But, spending legal and mental time on this issue would cost me far more than 15K. I don't have time from the Show to get involved. Pay them and don't use them again. Next concern.....?

In the end, contractors in the area could be accustomed to wealthy people with upscale homes. Yet, if contractors were involved, something attracted them to this upscale, but not stand out for the area home. I don't think there was bling, nor legendary "bands of cash" scattered through out the home.

Maybe the possible contractors have the habit of googling names on the address and names found in the home? They then learned that this particular home was associated with somebody with far more wealth than say the standard "widow of a successful doctor?"

 

[SlimPickens]

But not cleared. Right?

No one is cleared to my knowledge, not even the Sheriff himself, but typically when law enforcement gives pushback on a specific claim like that it suggests that folks should probably look elsewhere, IMO. I think I've heard LE refer to them in that context as "grieving family members" as well, so I infer a 'back off' vibe from that.

In any case, Tricia has permitted AB's claim to be discussed on here, so I wasn't saying it shouldn't or mustn't be discussed. Only that it is important to counter those discussions/inferences with what we know that law enforcement has publicly stated/acknowledged about those claims.

JMO.

 

[SMK777]

We need to get this corrected. Is she talking about Nancy's neighbors or Annie's because that makes a HUGE difference?

I listened to a few of Megyn Kelly's podcasts last night and she said:

1. AG's neighbors were asked about a phone

2. AG's neighbors said they were repeatedly asked about what kind of people AG and SIL were.

 

[korncrasy]

It depends how you set it up I think. There's two modes on Ring cameras. 24/7 mode which record continuously and Motion-based recording that only captures video when motion is detected.

This is what it says about Nest cameras: Learn about event and 24/7 video history - Google Nest Help

That is correct.I switch to motion based at night manually on my iPad.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I had not seen the narrow tracks in front of the house before. My first thought -- sorry for the graphic visualization -- is that it's about the width of a person, making me wonder if the marks could have been made by the dragging feet of a person?

At the same time, it's hard to imagine that LE wouldn't have seen the tracks immediately and been all over them looking for dropped items or DNA evidence. So maybe the tracks were not there immediately after the crime and instead were made by some LE equipment or the legs of a media tripod?

MOO

I remember at the press conference where the sheriff and FBI answered questions, a reporter asked if they had found tire tracks that could be analyzed and the sheriff replied, no.
He then went on to say it was because of the hard packed dirt, there would be no tire marks. He was so adamant about it.
Unless the sheriff was lying, and I hope not, I think these marks are from investigators’ equipment and cars….even though the sheriff said there could be no marks in the hard dirt. Weird.

 

[Diddian]

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Those tracks are odd indeed!

Comparing to the walkway width, which I’d guess to be 48”, the two wheel tracks look to be maybe 14-18” apart. So may have been created by a large hand truck or an appliance dolly?

 

[shonyakay]

Corrected? I believe she says AG’s. I listened to that yesterday.

Thanks. I just wanted to make sure. I don't want to put out any misinformation there has been so much of that already.

 

[MassGuy]

Very important read.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2022364381636645304

 

[minazoe]

Comparing to the walkway width, which I’d guess to be 48”, the two wheel tracks look to be maybe 14-18” apart. So may have been created by a large hand truck or an appliance dolly?

could be from a garden hose. mOO

 

[diggndeeperstill]

IMO-no. Why would it be? South Tucson is a long way from Catalina Foothills. We don't know the details except the woman is older-not elderly, just older. IMO I don't see any connections. Tucson is not any more scary than another big city IMO. Sadly things like this can happen anywhere.

It’s not everyday there is a kidnapping, homicide, SA on an older woman. Perp was 26, woman 60. Same city. I’d say it’s enough to consider if there’s a link. Agree NG different because she was in her home.

 

[EyeCandy]

Mine does record.I place it on the floor to charge.it records my baseboard heater.No notifications.

is it facingdown though mine wa recording my couch and den till i turned it face down if he out it in his pocket no clue

 

[OldCop]

See I think he quickly went to kidnapping by stranger. He was adamant at first that she didn't wander away. Media quickly jumped from that to possibility of kidnapping and if a ransom was ever asked for. Then about two days in, then a ransom message popped up and I think media and sheriff ran into that direction. They did crime tape and search Nancy's house about four or five times -- each time taking down the crime tape. They never brought dogs in to search from house to wherever. We just saw boots on the ground for the first time over a week after she went missing. We did see searches at her daughter's house, which does seem fishy. I truly think someone close to her did this. If it was a robbery, we have NOT been told to look out for those items. So, I think this was personal. I really wish they had done a ground search much earlier, kept crime scene tape up (even pizza and Amazon deliveries happened -- did they contaminate crime scene on porch?). We saw that it was their 3rd or 4th time searching that they found a camera they missed. What about these "gloves" that got sent to Florida crime lab? Were they looked over in the initial searches as well? I still think ransom notes were done by people not involved in taking Nancy. The criminal(s) went to extreme measures to not show any skin or identifying marks even though they thought they were dismantling the camera. It sure seems like this premediated -- who does that besides a close friend/family member?

I agree with just about everything you say. However, If you’re correct and it's true that he believed this was a kidnapping right away, it is even more indicative of the lack of leadership/training/common sense this Chief has. It does absolutely no good to put up crime scene tape 4 or 5 times.
When you arrive at an obvious and serious crime scene, you get the tape up right away. You assign an officer to log every person, including LEO’s, who enter that scene. You leave the tape up until every single microscopic bit of evidence can be gleaned from the scene even if it takes weeks or more. Once you take it down and you have every Tom, Dick, and Harry trampling all over everything, you can’t unring the bell. You destroy valuable evidence. You become a defense attorney’s dream.

 

[Jade]

Image is pretty supportive of these tracks having been made by trash bins, likely in the normal course of use. Garage to curb. Mystery solved.

JMO

But the tracks are at the front door.

Wouldn't the tracks from a garbage bin have been from being taken to the curb from the garage where the bins are seen in the pictures of the garage not from the front door?

Unless I'm not seeing the same bins you're speaking of?


* Tucson may have a disability pickup where a driver goes to the garage to collect the bin and then returns it. Still though its serviced from the garage and it's part of the drive where they are pictured?

all imo

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Thinking out loud here. We know that DNA can be separated now with advancements in technology. I have a feeling not only did LE look for the height of the perp--but--if Nancy had been punched there on the porch or something to the effect--there would be comingled DNA with her blood. IE: perhaps skin cells, perhaps she was biting them.

One can only hope that something to that effect happened and they are trying to separate the DNA.

EDIT TO ADD: If they didn't they should really look at this soon!

 

[cait2007]

Problem with saying the truck is "gray" is that the porch cam video is black and white/gray scale. I'm in the graphic arts field and would expect this truck to be almost be any mid-tone. Silver, light green, copper, light blue, etc., would appear as gray when file is not in color. MOO.

My assumption, if authorities mentioned the color being grey, that they saw the truck’s color on a surveillance cam with color. We own a business and LE frequently requests our cam footage and our cameras are fully in color. There are businesses within a 2 mile radius of her home.

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2022354904921313636

 

[SlimPickens]

Very important read.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2022364381636645304

Glove sounded too good to be true when reported, IMO.

Also this is a very important snippet:

On allegations that family members are involved. “The family has been fully, 100% completely, whatever we asked for they’ve done.” “It was getting crazy out there with allegations about the family.” "You can’t accuse people of a horrific crime like that and not have any facts behind it.’ (But in the same interview he does say no one is really ever ruled out. As of today.)

JMO.

 

[GussiedCanoodler]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2022341997772607739

TMZ posts another video, again the face is blurred out, but you can still see they have a mustache like the person who abducted Nancy. Who knows if it's the same guy, but it's a lead nonetheless.

I’ve seen the unedited version of this video directly from the neighbors app and that guy is a dead ringer for the sketch drawn by the person in Texas, imo. However, I genuinly don’t know if the person who drew the sketch saw this video and was unconsciously biased.