• #26,781
Going back the the images released by the FBI, the pants he has on appear to have integrated shoe covers!

Edit: The FBI needs to be prioritizing finding the guy in the TMZ Ring video!
I don’t think the guy buying literally everything at Walmart went and found some bespoke pants that would cover his shoes as well.

JMO
 
  • #26,782
I'm sure LE has SO much info on the family at this point. The "dinner" that night, driving Nancy back, ring type videos that could possibly corroborate those facts, text messages, etc.
I did think SIL was a suspect early on but moved away from that.
But, it still odd how things keep coming back to SIL/AG's home, questioning neighbors, etc.
I don't think it's been said that LE is doing the same for NG's close friends/neighbors (homes she may have been at often, perhaps more often than AG's), etc.
Because they were last seen with and her immediate family IMO LE will usually focus on those people and likely correctly so, however I believe it can also be done at the detriment of cases that don't fall within that scope and time is lost at that point. Now? they seem lost and are trying to make this fit b/c last seen with and someone close (family) is usually it.. I also find it hard to believe that people in their 50s who have zero history or innuendo of being anything other than law abiding citizens without complications would suddenly kill a close 84 year old family member, skillfully leave no direct evidence readily tying them to a murder and then stage a super elaborate cover scene, and then destroy some of the staging in the off chance it could be recovered weeks down the line. And with the way the media is we would know at this point if either one of them has so much as a backlog of unpaid parking tickets at some point in their lives which . IMO it doesn't make logical sense to me - with the information we have, that they are the perpetrators. It seems too convoluted to me but I think absent something in their lap to break the case open another way they are going to keep circling back on the path that usually pays off regardless if the data points away....again jmo
 
  • #26,783
AG took much of her social media and websites down or made them private so its tough to find but I did read some of it a few weeks back and it was very morbid.
On the one hand, that could just be her writer's persona. On the other, having a few poets and authors within my family circle, the persona and the person are sometimes one and the same, and not always healthy. JMO
 
  • #26,784
It's an elected position with a political party behind it. He won the election (albeit with a controversy and an investigation). Happens all the time in the US, and abroad.
Ah ok that makes sense, i just thought it was like a normal company type setup.
Thank you for clarifying 👍🏻
 
  • #26,785
Killed accidentally during argument with family/friend and kidnapping/B&E staged to cover it up
Variant of #4. I'll revise.
I intentionally omitted potential actors to be inclusive.
 
  • #26,786
Nice article.

I note it said NG used “powerful hearing aids”.

So, if she took them out to sleep, she may not have heard intruders outside, possibly.

moo
That's what I think. Several articles have listed her hearing aids as one of the many of her "personal belongings" that was left behind at the scene. Chances are she wasn't wearing them and was fast asleep when the perp(s) entered her home.
 
  • #26,787
Nice article.

I note it said NG used “powerful hearing aids”.

So, if she took them out to sleep, she may not have heard intruders outside, possibly.

moo


Anyone working that house would have known what an easy mark/target they had. They would have spent time on the property, seen the seclusion, see that everyone kept private, no neighbors had sight lines to the yard/house, the vegetation providing cover, the night darkness due to the ordinance.

Then the victim; an elderly lady w/ a pacemaker, some mobility issues, with hearing aides, living alone in this environment. We're starting to get more of a complete picture of limitations here. Surely any worker with interaction (getting a bid, getting instructed about the job, working on the property for 2 hours, etc.) would pick up on some of this. And if the worker wasn't directly involved they talk, an associate, cousin; "Man, this old lady is living alone on this big private property with no dog, no real security, and her daughter is that rich TV person."
 
  • #26,788
Yeah, reminded me of surgical booties you see surgeons wearing.
Could be. I think he has on regular clothes with hooded, footie (or separate shoe cover) coveralls with jacket and ski mask over that. That would explain the layered padded appearance. MOO.
 
  • #26,789
Killed accidentally during argument with family/friend and kidnapping/B&E staged to cover it up
People who have zero criminal history, or rumored personality issues that at this point the media surely would have jumped on - seem unlikely to be able to kill their 84 year old mother and simultaneously that same night remove all obvious signs pointing to them, hide the body, dress up and stage other evidence. JMO
 
  • #26,790
People who have zero criminal history, or rumored personality issues that at this point the media surely would have jumped on - seem unlikely to be able to kill their 84 year old mother and simultaneously that same night remove all obvious signs pointing to them, hide the body, dress up and stage other evidence. JMO
Still doesn't mean it should be included in the list until it can be disproven
 
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So we're pretty confident at this point the original ransom letters (with the Monday deadline) were a hoax, correct?
I think they were deliberate misdirection. And it worked. When you legitimately kidnap someone you want it to proceed quickly. You leave a random note at the scene or you make contact quickly. You don't wait 40 hours, you don't want publicity, and you certainly don't send the ransom note to a news station. You contact the payer directly. And you don't just fail to complete the deal and disappear. I think whoever sent the notes is connected in some way but I think the notes are more likely part of a cover-up for whatever really happened. IMO
 
  • #26,792
"It’s just the FBI developed this method and can do it so much better without destroying the evidence," the source said. "I’ve seen so many cases go to Florida and be consumed. Also, they are not as fast, and in this case, time matters."

I've heard the FBI and sources say the FBI will actually have to re-test the evidence as well (anyone have source? ty)

An FBI official tells NewsNation that Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos is blocking federal agents from accessing key evidence in the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie, hindering the bureau’s ability to assist in the case.


According to the official, the evidence — described by a source as including a glove, DNA and potentially more — has already been sent to a private lab in Florida for testing, and the FBI will have to retest it once it is returned, delaying the investigation.


“This is dumb,” the source told NewsNation, adding that the bureau stepped in at the sheriff’s request. “The FBI wants to find Nancy.”


The FBI asked Nanos for the evidence to be processed at the FBI’s national crime laboratory in Quantico, Virginia.


Outsourcing forensic analysis to a Florida contractor, effectively denying the access of the Federal Bureau of Investigation to crucial evidence in the case, is delaying the FBI ability to assist in the case, according to the official, Reuters reported.
 
  • #26,793
I don’t think the guy buying literally everything at Walmart went and found some bespoke pants that would cover his shoes as well.

JMO
They are readily available for about $5 each.
 
  • #26,794
So, no certainty at all on motive or how events unfolded. The hypotheses I am reading:

1. B&E with planned robbery that went sideways, leading to either unplanned murder and removal of her body, or injury and unplanned abduction. Variants:
a. Random
b. Targeted, because elderly, living alone, ease of access, etc., but not as SG's mother
c. Targeted as SG's mother (higher or more certain ransom payout)

2. Planned abduction to extort ransom. Variants:
a. Random
b. Targeted, because elderly, living alone, ease of access, etc., but not as SG's mother
c. Targeted as SG's mother (higher or more certain ransom payout)

3. Intimidation/fright attempt as payback for NG calling in a loan (leading to unplanned murder or injury/unplanned abduction)

4. Injured with unplanned homicide elsewhere, or murdered elsewhere, never returned home. B&E staged to mimic abduction and divert attention.

5. Staged, to draw attention to SG and elevate public sympathy for her / increase career mobility

6. Staged, to draw attention away from (fill in the blank)

What did I leave out?
I'm struggling with it being 2c (a hired kidnapping - asked some random dude(s) if they wanted to make some quick money...) or 6 staged to draw attention away from the release of the Epstein files.
 
  • #26,795
I would also be very happy and I hope that my sibling is very successful and wealthy, if only for their own comfort and safety. Read: comfort and safety.
AG's home about a half million dollars, SG is worth forty million reportedly. IMO if I were SG I would give AG/family let's say.. $1M... 1/40th of my fortune. They could do with that what they will - put it in a brokerage account, a savings account for their son's college, buy a home with more space or in a nicer area, a safer vehicle. I don't know. I get that everyone is looking at it from the vantage of AG being happy for her sister, but what about SG being generous with her success?
Not only that, caregiving to an older parent (NG) is extremely time consuming, stressful, and difficult to understand if you're not the one doing it. I'd at least want to treat my sibling to some spa days or a house cleaning service. Who knows, maybe SG does that. I think it's very easy to live in a privileged bubble and forget how others in your family may have different experiences.

Not saying any of the above is reason for murder or kidnapping, it's just a big discrepancy IMO - the money and the caretaking.
Does anyone actually have any information about how generous SG is or isn't with other members of the family? Seems like endless speculation about family dynamics based on no info.
 
  • #26,796
Money talks. They need a break and a lower criminal or associate might snitch for that. I was always surprised they didn't up the reward (SG could help through back channels though I understand w/ a supposed ransom she couldn't offer a reward herself risking the optics of that).

The 1 Bitcoin request for info was more in line with the $50K reward they had initially, but the letter was suspect in that you have to provide the info to get the reward (duh). The language of being a "national snitch" etc. does jive with a lower criminal element or one that associates in those circle.s
Money talks, for sure-- and in the case of offering the reward as $100,000 , it can be perceived as "real money" as opposed to Bitcoin, which probably not a lot of people understand the logistics of, for lack of better terminology.
 
  • #26,797
That is an excellent question. Either Nanos decided to start by investigating everyone on the planet and see who falls through holes in the sieve to eliminate people, or there is a reason he cannot clear certain people. I have wondered if they are searching for accomplices rather than perpetrators not tied to the family in any way.
I don’t want to criticize but I will. Every investigator being interviewed across the country is saying you always start with the inner circle of family and friends, even SG. And if it was my mom, I would be at the sheriff’s office questioning the heck out of him, and telling him to get our DNA, give us polygraphs, call in the FBI, and all that would be the first day. Every day after that, he wouldn’t want to see me coming for him.
I pray I am totally off base.
 
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Anyone working that house would have known what an easy mark/target they had. They would have spent time on the property, seen the seclusion, see that everyone kept private, no neighbors had sight lines to the yard/house, the vegetation providing cover, the night darkness due to the ordinance.

Then the victim; an elderly lady w/ a pacemaker, some mobility issues, with hearing aides, living alone in this environment. We're starting to get more of a complete picture of limitations here. Surely any worker with interaction (getting a bid, getting instructed about the job, working on the property for 2 hours, etc.) would pick up on some of this. And if the worker wasn't directly involved they talk, an associate, cousin; "Man, this old lady is living alone on this big private property with no dog, no real security, and her daughter is that rich TV person."
Yes, this!
 

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