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Was it a Boy Scout Promise? If so, they should proceed.
Given how much money this investigation is costing, I can't believe they just don't pay it. It must be costing much more than that every day the case goes on. I wondered if we'd not heard more because he'd already been paid and nothing came of it. There must be evidence that it's not credible. If I were worth $40MM and this were my mother, I'd drop $100K pretty fast; again, I have to think that the lead lacks credibility or SG would have paid it quickly. Possibly TMZ just keeping themselves relevant by treating it like more than it is.
 
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I’ve seen posts hinting that the perp may have been obsessed with SG and that this was done to get her attention. If this was the act of obsession, it’s possible the perp saw NG on the NBC family special and became obsessed with NG herself.

This happened to an elderly couple who live in my area. Their son is nationally known, and had a known stalker who tried to get chummy with the parents in order to be "closer" to him. The son ended up getting a restraining order against the stalker to stay away from himself and his family members.
 
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Fox is reporting (live, i don't have a link as i'm watching tv), that the DNA in NG's house is not NG's.

so...forced entry/no forced entry...glove/no glove...NG's dna/not NG's dna...

WTH?!!! i would never criticize LE but they're making it awfully difficult for this rabbit...
 
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If a family member killed their mother for money, do you think they could maintain innocence at family gatherings. That's one hell of a pokerface.

“cooperative and cleared are two different things”

That’s a very loaded response imo
They are being very intentional not to really use the word "cleared" in regards to anyone really. In many cases when there are no suspects at all, they will list off like a list of folks they have cleared. Im just not hearing that language. Its like they are avoiding it, which is distinct.
 
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that would seem to make it harder to do a pacemaker search in the proposed manner. but maybe there is still some "handshake" signal a phone etc. could send out that the pacemaker would respond to?
You would only be looking for a sync with the phone app and the pacemaker and that would only happen when the battery is still functioning and the phone with the installed app is within the set proximity for reception. It is the reverse principal of her phone app not registering contact because she was out of range. Bring the app within range and it would sync again.
mto
 
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Pacemakers do not transmit 24/7. Each one is individually synched to a specific monitor. The pacemaker just sits there collecting data and applying tiny signals through the leads into the heart muscle to increase/decrease/steady the heartbeat. It isn't transmitting data in real time. On a schedule determined by the doctor the monitor will ask the pacemaker to send data via RF to the monitor (once a month, once a week, once a day, it varies). The monitor will then send the data to the monitoring company via WiFi. Nobody's pacemaker interferes with anyone else's. IMO
When a pacemaker patient visits their cardiologist, do they have to bring their monitor with them? Do providers have a way to query the device outside of the regular reporting interval?
 
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For those who prefer video to article reading. Once again … Ladies & gentlemen … “Here’s HARVEY:”

 
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Depending on the person, yes. There are fathers who have murdered their wives and raised their children until they were arrested.
Yes, true. I was thinking more along the lines of face to face at family gatherings where NG was mourned by siblings. You'd be stone cold.
 
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If law enforcement suspected a family member of committing this crime, or had any convincing evidence that made a family member even a person of interest, they wouldn't be swatting and knocking down the doors of an entirely unrelated person's home 45 miles south of Tucson.

JMO.
 
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Its called being a sociopath.
Yes. I suppose a person could hide that all their lives until the situation arose. We've seen older killers in many cases here.
 
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Wow. Good read, thanks for sharing. It does make a lot of sense. In fact, it's one of the only things about this that makes any sense. A faked attempted break-in to throw off how the crime really went down.
Very good read I do agree with all that, it was a distraction, and the odds that wasn't planned and that it was intentional to get someone's attention.
 
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that would seem to make it harder to do a pacemaker search in the proposed manner. but maybe there is still some "handshake" signal a phone etc. could send out that the pacemaker would respond to?
Yes, the pacemaker will respond to requests from the monitor at a distance of about 5-10 feet. It's important to keep limitations in mind - specifically battery. A pacemaker has an internal battery that is not rechargeable. Under normal use these batteries will last 5-7 years and the battery has to be replaced at that time. This requires a surgical procedure and often an overnight stay. Allowing a pacemaker to transmit continually or via a strong signal drains the battery much, much faster and the risk of a battery replacement procedure outweighs the benefit of continual transmission and stronger RF signals.

In the past patients would see their doctor every 3-6 months and a wand is used to collect data stored in the pacemaker. A few decades ago bedside monitors came into use to collect this data without a visit to the clinic. More recently phone apps have come into use to take over that function. These apps simply replace the interrogation wand used in the clinic so patients have fewer visits and data can be sent to the doctor more frequently, once a month instead of every 3-6 months, for example. They are definitely not designed for, or capable of, tracking or locating people. IMO
 
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https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/nancy-guthrie-savannah-missing-mom-02-13-26

The unknown DNA investigators obtained in the case of Nancy Guthrie’s abduction is going to be helpful when investigators have a suspect, CNN Chief Law Enforcement and Intelligence Analyst John Miller said.

Officials have not been able to determine who the DNA belongs to, according to Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos.


This means it didn’t match the “known contributors,” Miller said, meaning the people who have been around or inside Guthrie’s house for other reasons.
 
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The unknown DNA investigators obtained in the case of Nancy Guthrie’s abduction is going to be helpful when investigators have a suspect, CNN Chief Law Enforcement and Intelligence Analyst John Miller said.

Officials have not been able to determine who the DNA belongs to, according to Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos.

This means it didn’t match the “known contributors,” Miller said, meaning the people who have been around or inside Guthrie’s house for other reasons.

It’s also “not somebody who’s been convicted of a felony or arrested on a serious charge where that DNA would be in the FBI system,” Miller said. Investigators would have run it through that database, he said.


Edit - posted at same time as post above!
 

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