• #28,961
Same situation as Rio Rico but this time area was close enough for more 2nd wave (after SWAT). Should spend more time researching who they are going in after IMO. Doing this and coming up basically empty just makes them seem more incompetent.
I disagree. It shows they're taking every lead seriously and working around the clock to find Nancy. This isn't a TV show where everything gets wrapped up in a neat little bow. They're damned if they do, damned if they don't — meanwhile we're all sitting in our warm homes picking apart their every move. Just my opinion.
 
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I'd hate to live in the Tucson area--and look anything like the suspected POI and be scooped up LE.

How many more leads that potentially look like the POI that are called in are going to have their doors broken down (the Rio Rico guy did)

I'm sorry but this is just crazy the way this case is being handled.

I'm not hopeful this SO is capable of bringing Nancy home safely, unfortunately.
 
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I edited my post to include a link where I got my info.
You should delete that—it doesn’t work==and delete the original post IMO—it is inaccurate and people following older post threads will read it but think it is accurate info…
 
  • #28,965
Savannah Guthrie missing mom live updates: All four people questioned last night have been released

This reporting is bad. tomorrow we will be entering the THIRD week of Nancy missing, not the second week.
 
  • #28,966
I disagree. You have a tip and you send someone out to investigate the lead---you don't send 50 LE vehicles to the site. There have been many times they interviewed someone based on a tip and then followed them around. For instance, the perp in the Abby and Libby case self reported he was at the site. Did LE send a whole swat team to his house? Maybe they should have--but I digress. NO, they sent a DNR officer to interview.

This is just crazy the way this is being handled---media or no media.
Oh, we know it was just “a tip” that led to last night? What specifically? Please elaborate as to what facts you have that show the response was uncalled for.

Keep in mind, they’re getting thousands of tips. We aren’t seeing thousands of search warrants. What level of investigation do you believe they should be doing before doing their jobs? What do you think a judge got wrong?

Since you bring up a lack of search warrants in Delphi, are you forgetting about the multiple search warrants executed in Delphi in the days after the murders?
 
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Nanos is not about to let the FBI capture the subject. His ego & dislike of the FBI will not allow it
he needs to step back and let the FBI take over,
 
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I may seem naive but I am still holding out hope that somehow LE is getting closer to bringing Nancy home. I understand though from BE’s excellent reporting and his interview this morning how sadly the odds are becoming slimmer. Still, she deserves justice and her family deserves answers which I hope they and all victims get.

I wonder too if it is possible that in addition to perhaps the those detained are not involved at all maybe another one reason maybe there haven’t been arrests yet is because they are still waiting for the results of their forensic examinations to help verify or yield evidence to support and justify such arrests? Perhaps too that until they have verifiable evidence or the results from forensics returned showing that the house from the raid last night was the location of a crime led to it not being identified or secured yet as a crime scene yet? This is just an idea from some reading last night that I posted below. I could be wrong.

I wonder too if those detained yesterday were able to call or procure lawyers? Perhaps such a resource may have facilitated their release, particularly if there is no evidence as of yet showing they were involved in a crime and lawyers would further advocate and protect their rights to remain silent or not incriminate themselves.

Of course again those detained can be completely innocent or uninvolved in Nancy’s kidnapping. I am just theorizing or spitballing and am just wondering if it is too soon to tell or more info from LE would be helpful.

I also have a lot of sympathy for Carlos and his family and the trauma they experienced. I really hope LE acknowledges what they put him and his family through and apologize as he requested.

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Nanos is not about to let the FBI capture the subject. His ego & dislike of the FBI will not allow it
I think there is enough blame to go around to both local LE and FBI. I'm not impressed with either.
 
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For everyone getting upset, if police don’t follow up on every reasonable lead, it becomes an avenue for the defense to use when the actual suspects are actually found. We literally just saw this in the Delphi case.

Police are not asking media to follow them around and random people to breathlessly speculate about what’s going on and who may or may not be involved. The only reason people get hyped up and then disappointed is the media circus and resulting latching on to every little detail by onlookers. It’s a complicated case. They’re going where the case takes them. Be glad they’re not just sitting back attempting to solve the case from their desks.

JMO
Yes. We have an 84 year old woman who is missing, who may be dying, who may be deceased.
We have video of a trespasser who was at her front door removing a security camera on the night she went missing.
We have 14,000 tips that LE is trying to vet.
How many of the tips identify a potential suspect who ticks many of the boxes on information that LE has developed, some of which we and/or main stream media know nothing about?
How many are plausible?
How much probable cause has been included on an affidavit that was presented to a judge who is the deciding factor on whether or not a search warrant or an arrest want will be issued?
We know the person on the camera was armed. Is he working alone?
LE needs to be prepared for an armed resistance when they attempt to serve the warrant. The object is to complete the task without harming the suspect, the victim, and the general public.
The streets are blocked because media and rubberneckers come right on down to the scene while LE is trying to do their job. What happens to them if bullets start flying out of the residence or vehicle?

So far we have seen a couple of major operations involving swat teams and multiple LEOs. These two operations were based on probable cause that may not have panned out.

So it’s back to the other 13,998 tips to check out.

Give them a break.
 
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I'd hate to live in the Tucson area--and look anything like the suspected POI and be scooped up LE.

How many more leads that potentially look like the POI that are called in are going to have their doors broken down (the Rio Rico guy did)

I'm sorry but this is just crazy the way this case is being handled.

I'm not hopeful this SO is capable of bringing Nancy home safely, unfortunately.

BBM. This is what’s bothering me. Obviously the media circus around this means that any police movement is heavily publicized.

Unless they have enough for an arrest (DNA match, etc), I’m not understanding why they’re not picking these POIs in a more stealthy way. Why send our SWAT, etc every time?

I’m sure there’s a reason and I’m just unfamiliar with the intricacies of police work. Just seems like a strange, costly way to follow leads that only have search warrants and not arrest warrants.
 
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I disagree. It shows they're taking every lead seriously and working around the clock to find Nancy. This isn't a TV show where everything gets wrapped up in a neat little bow. They're damned if they do, damned if they don't — meanwhile we're all sitting in our warm homes picking apart their every move. Just my opinion.
They have had fourteen days. No leads? They have a video of the perp. They have dna. They have three ransom notes. FBI should take the lead ow.
 
  • #28,973
I have posted the youtube video. I follow Brian entin on X . He posted this same video on X and youtube . I will go remove broken link.
I saw nothing in that report about a person choosing suicide over LE detainment. He only reported about the car stop—no death and no custody of the driver and the house where the people were apparently compliant and not detained either…
 
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Well-written summary of the case so far.

 
  • #28,975
I'm not sure why people are so quick to say last night's police activity yielded nothing. They'll need time to process any evidence they gathered. Until then, they really shouldn't speculate on the value of what they may have found last night. Seems like a good time for us all to take a break and check back later.
This! I do not doubt that LE was able to extract new info. The fact that some people were detained and then released does not mean the executed search warrant was a waste of time or resources!
 
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Nanos is not about to let the FBI capture the subject. His ego & dislike of the FBI will not allow it

In your opinion?

Sheriff, first of all, are you being unfairly portrayed as not working with the FBI or cooperating at all?” Parris asked.

Nanos replied: “For someone to say that we're not working with the FBI or that the sheriff is stopping evidence from going up, that's just crazy. That's ludicrous. Why would I not use the FBI and their free services?” He said the suggestion was “an insult to my team,” and repeatedly stressed a long-standing working relationship with federal agents: “The relationship between the Sheriff's Department and the FBI is valued, not just by the FBI, not just by the Sheriff's Department, but by this community.”

 
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Nanos is not about to let the FBI capture the subject. His ego & dislike of the FBI will not allow it
How is this a fact?
 
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BBM. This is what’s bothering me. Obviously the media circus around this means that any police movement is heavily publicized.

Unless they have enough for an arrest (DNA match, etc), I’m not understanding why they’re not picking these POIs in a more stealthy way. Why send our SWAT, etc every time?

I’m sure there’s a reason and I’m just unfamiliar with the intricacies of police work. Just seems like a strange, costly way to follow leads that only have search warrants and not arrest warrants.
You potentially have a violent abduction and hostage situation. You don’t do a stealthy knock and talk for that.

JMO
 
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I think the differnce here is .. they don't have a NG's body. They really don't know if she could still be alive. IF there is a chance she could still be alive, that response might be reasonable, no?
I would think there would be more vetting of the tip. Again, feel sorry for anyone who even remotely resembles this perp.

Hoping and praying NG is found alive but I don't have much confidence in this SO.
 

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