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This is from Megyn Kelly on youtube. Apparently a neighbor saw a guy on her ring camera snooping around on her porch looking suspicious. Please look and tell me this is not the exact man who was seen on Nancy’s porch and why hasn’t the sheriff released this picture to the public to warn them?
Only difference I can see is that Nancy’s kidnapper wore an outfit to cover who he is and the guy on this video did not. there is a clear picture of his face.
When he turns to walk away, his gait is the same and his hips are wider than his legs. Very same. And he has that look of the dark eyebrows, mustache and goatee. There is a profiler discussed here who drew a picture of what she thinks the masked man looks like. This video looks like a cross between DE and the picture the woman drew.
 
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Correct. This is what we call a "universal" holster. It is generally profiled for a long pistol frame. This is not a specific model holster, nor does it match the apparent semi-auto that was seen on the Nest cam footage. It is cheap and often found collecting dust in the $5 sale bins of gun stores. It also does not clip on like many belt/waist holsters but has a longer belt loop on it which explains the low handing front and center, dangling "appendix carry" that the suspect displayed.

Observations on it: - cheap, - mismatched so it did not come w/ the gun (maybe it wasn't a live firearm, or a cheap one on the black market) - mismatched, snaggable vinyl material so poor performance if the suspect needed to draw and use it (though I wouldn't count my life handling a firearm in those bulky gloves). It was also off color (minor detail, but black is more common and more useful).

Essentially nothing about it was good or efficient. I carry a custom profiled kydex holster that clips into the waistline/belt. It's the complete opposite of the features I described above in performance and use.
The butt of the mis-holstered pistol looked a bit like a Ruger SR22 to me.
 
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All four people questioned last night have been released​


edit: that's the actual headline, article like other sources says "3 people"

No one shot themselves in the head. There was a fatal deputy-involved shooting in a domestic that night.





Looks like Nanos is using the ole' map on the dartboard and detain 'em tactic. Bold move.
The video attached “Video from fatal deputy-involved shooting in Vail released” is NOT about the NG kidnapping.

The shooting referenced in the article / video occurred November 28, 2025, after multiple reports of domestic violence. Unfortunately the video of DV incident was released last night and is confusing some.

Please delete it from your post, Thank you.
 
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Hopefully the perp purchased the holster and the backpack recently at a local Walmart and perhaps LE can locate receipts with both items and track down the purchaser. However, there's no way of knowing whether they were purchased locally or at the same time or just something he found around the house that he'd had for years. I'm not sure whether this one is the actual holster or not; but I am sure that the perp put a semi-automatic weapon in a holster designed as a hip holster for a revolver and wore it in front of him. I've been around guns all my life and I have never seen anyone do that. They do make holsters to be worn in front - appendix holsters - but none of them would be worn dangling down in front of him like that - they are designed to be worn where the bottom of the weapon is above the pelvic area to allow for walking, running, sitting. If I hadn't seen the way this guy was wearing his I never would have believed anyone would do that. It has to tell LE something - I'm just not sure what!
 
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This article says the fatal shooting was last year not last night.
I will edit thanks.

The local station reported an interviewed person mentioning the "someone shot themselves rumor last night" but there is no follow up mention on their page.
 
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Hey! I'm new here. Is anyone able to tell me if Nancy has been found yet?
Welcome! 🤗
Sadly, Nancy is still missing. It’s probably best to dive in and start reading you’ll get caught up. Also check the media post for this case.
 
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Four people? I thought it was two men and one of their mums?
The video attached “Video from fatal deputy-involved shooting in Vail released” is NOT about the NG kidnapping.

The shooting referenced in the article / video occurred November 28, 2025, after multiple reports of domestic violence. Unfortunately the video of DV incident was released last night and is confusing some.

Please edit your post to delete article from the post, Thank you.
 
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I've been thinking about how this old lady could have opened her door to let the kidnappers in.

Was she a religious lady? I think maybe she thought she "heard" a voice beckoning her to "the other side" (aka heaven!) and to "open the door" to let the Holy Spirit in.

I know of a number of the older members of the Congregation at my church have had similar out of body experiences. I wonder if this happened to Nancy.

I'm not really sure how the this man gained entry to the residence but I don't think it had anything to do with the Holy Spirit or an out of body experience.
Also did you take a look at him? Ain't no one opening the door for that.

Perhaps he just broke a window pane like a regular burglar.
 
  • #29,090
The sketch by Lois Gibson.4
Sketch artist Lois Gibson released a sketch of what she thinks Nancy Guthrie’s kidnapper might look like
“I GUESSED at the parts of face covered with ski mask on this Nancy Guthrie kidnapping suspect. I used the surveillance photos shown,” Gibson warned after revealing her sketch to social med
 
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Nancy Guthrie: Body language expert says 'sociopath' likely was familiar with property​

Source: Fox News Affiliate Phoenix AZ Intruder's Body Language

Based on the person’s demeanor in the footage, Constantine suggested the subject was likely familiar with the property and may have a criminal history.

"So the fact that he showed like zero emotion even not even a thing of an eyebrow or tensing of the lip, because you would assume that that would create some sort of anxiety or attention, that he’s about ready to enter into this house completely flat line so what does that tell me? This guy is a sociopath," she said.


I don't know if reading body language is going to help crack the case. But it may help.
 
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The video attached “Video from fatal deputy-involved shooting in Vail released” is NOT about the NG kidnapping.

The shooting referenced in the article / video occurred November 28, 2025, after multiple reports of domestic violence. Unfortunately the video of DV incident was released last night and is confusing some.

Please delete it from your post, Thank you.
Already done and linked to the original Tuscon station that started the "shot in head rumor" and there's no mention of it on their site. (same station that got the ransom btw)
 
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The sketch by Lois Gibson.4
Sketch artist Lois Gibson released a sketch of what she thinks Nancy Guthrie’s kidnapper might look like
“I GUESSED at the parts of face covered with ski mask on this Nancy Guthrie kidnapping suspect. I used the surveillance photos shown,” Gibson warned after revealing her sketch to social med
Honestly, though, this looks like about 80% of Hispanic men between 30 and 60 living in the border region. You can go to any border town and see hundreds and hundreds of guys who could be this image's brother. Only difference is IRL they usually have a shaved head.
 
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Sorry hon, I have dyslexia so it would be difficult for me to do that. I would rather read one message.
she has not been found. The people detained last night have all been released.
 
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I think one of those detained last night will be arrested once DNA results come back for them. That’s just my feeling. The amount of resources put into last night wasn’t for something minor. MOO
 
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IMO, it was because there weren't sure exactly what was in there and they didn't want to risk the press getting a picture of something terrible. I think it was prudent to block their view, along with everyone else's.
I do remember way up thread , a picture posted by a member of, prior to the tarp blocking the view , tailgate down , with items on it , one looking like a backpack . I wished I grabbed the photo . Does anyone recall seeing that , about 12 hrs ago ?
 
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dbm
 
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Hopefully the perp purchased the holster and the backpack recently at a local Walmart and perhaps LE can locate receipts with both items and track down the purchaser. However, there's no way of knowing whether they were purchased locally or at the same time or just something he found around the house that he'd had for years. I'm not sure whether this one is the actual holster or not; but I am sure that the perp put a semi-automatic weapon in a holster designed as a hip holster for a revolver and wore it in front of him. I've been around guns all my life and I have never seen anyone do that. They do make holsters to be worn in front - appendix holsters - but none of them would be worn dangling down in front of him like that - they are designed to be worn where the bottom of the weapon is above the pelvic area to allow for walking, running, sitting. If I hadn't seen the way this guy was wearing his I never would have believed anyone would do that. It has to tell LE something - I'm just not sure what!
The universal holster he had had a long belt loop on it like these cheapo vinly holsters do. He attempted an awkward appendix open carry with it, but basically it was dangling low front and center off of his belt-line. It did not have a clip like say the kydex holster I use and would tuck into my belt-line if I were conceal carrying appendix style.

Moreso, he had what appeared to be a late gen semi auto stuffed into a longer profile pistol holster (?), and was wearing thick gloves that would be hard to fit into a trigger guard, so his entire set-up was impractical "show-over-use".
 
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Further observations re kidnapping and Lantana man:

1. Lantana man seemed to go through a lot more effort to conceal every inch of his body than he did to be agile for a break in. At least double clothed - likely done to shed top layer head to toe once kidnapping complete? The thickness of the gloved hand in FBI video seemed to make his hands almost unusable for fine motor skills.

2. FBI videos looked like Lantana man was thickly dressed and if so he would likely be on the slimmer side. Not much of a gut in pics even with thick or multi-layered clothes. Also he appeared to be bow legged. It did originally strike me as someone that has worked on his feet a lot based on his movements and lower body stiffness - although the stiffness could be due to the bulky clothing.

3. Was his head to toe coverage for DNA transfer, covering of tattoos or both? Someone in a much earlier post here mentioned they could see a tattoo through the gloves inside of his wrist. It did not seem apparent to me. To others it did.

4. He may have put the long side of his hand to the camera if he believed FBI had technology to see under his gloves and could therefore detect identifying finger prints or tattoos. If so, could be someone previously fingerprinted or identifiable through tattoos and he knows this. If he is single gloved then he has large hands IMO.

5. The gun holstered in the front seems more for scare than usage. Non matching gun to holster as others have pointed out causing him to repeatedly reposition the gun in the FBI videos strikes me as an amateur. IMO Professionals would buy a holster that holds their specific gun as they would be using it frequently for their crimes.

6. His clothing and shoes looked more new than old. Crisp almost - although need to acct for night vision images. Clothing bought specifically for this event? I don’t think a professional would buy a new outer set of clothes for each of their crimes but I remain open to this possibility. The outer layer was relatively inexpensive.

The lack of continuing ransom demands makes me think the primary reason for the kidnapping was not for ransom. And no body yet found dumped in the desert or elsewhere continues this theory.

If it was kidnapping to cover for intended murder then this would make more sense. If it was kidnapping gone horribly wrong and ransom was primary motive then it seems they would continue with ransom notes for return of body. It’s a lot easier to leave a body to be found for ransom than someone alive IMO.

Harvey Levin who received the 1st ransom note stated the grammar was “perfect grammatically and layered”. If we believe his judgment on this (he is an owner/editor of a media org - whatever we think of the org or him personally) then it would seem that someone very well educated wrote the 2 ransom notes.

Thoughts?
 

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