• #29,401
A federal warrant confirms federal jurisdiction of a case and subsequent federal administration/facilitation of that case in which the warrant was issued. The Sheriff himself offered that the warrant was regarding the Guthrie kidnapping case.

If federal jurisdiction is asserted and confirmed, as it was here with a federal warrant, then by definition it supersedes any state agency's authority on the same or similar matter. A statement or media declaration isn't necessary to defend my assertion - any high school civics book will do.

Does that mean they aren't working together in much the same fashion? No. It just means they've switched roles, and that state and local authorities are now supporting federal authorities on the evolving nature of this case. If a federal judge issued a warrant and they were looking for Nancy Guthrie, her kidnappers, or signs of her within the execution of that warrant, then federal kidnapping laws have now been deemed germane, have now been applied, and have now assumed jurisdiction in this case.

Can the case go back to a state case? Sure, if the feds ultimately determine that the kidnapping doesn't contain the requisite elements that makes it a federal crime. But as of now they clearly do believe that it does and they have compelling evidence of such, as the federal judge who signed the federal warrant confirmed.

Further, the Sheriff's overnight scheduled press conference being snuffed "at the request of the FBI" pretty much as soon as it was announced is another strong indicator of who is now leading this investigation.

JMO.
It’s possible. But they are both allowed to investigate. Together. Sometimes state takes the lead. Sometimes FBI. It becomes pertinent mostly when it comes time to file charges and whether the charges are the same or different.
 
  • #29,402
Her toughness has always surfaced in difficult moments, like when her husband died suddenly in 1988, or when budget cuts threatened a vital public health service at the university where she worked, or even two days before her disappearance, when she insisted on walking to the end of her gravel driveway to get the mail, even if a friend had to help.

Don't see them going out the garage way though to the mailbox when it looks like it is straight down the pathway from the front door ... or am I seeing something else that is not the mailbox
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I drew red lines to show the path both from the front door or the garage to the mailbox. Google Maps

This likely all doesn’t make any difference, but just moo
 
  • #29,403
possibly Walmart will solve the crime if indeed all the purchases were made there. I am tending to believe it is a homeless person, perhaps using one of those free places that give out stuff to homeless people. How he procured the gun is another story but a lot of crime is commited with people who steal guns, trade for one, etc. I think it's a crime of opportunity. Perhaps on a bicycle with perhaps a cart on the back ... ... the body is not far ... I think when he comes back without the backpack is when he got her out of the house and took the body away. Thats just my theory...that desert above her house would be probably something homeless people are quite aware of ...
Why on earth would a homeless person with no connection to Nancy risk moving her body ?
 
  • #29,404
I want to make a comment that is MY option only. Mods, feel free to delete if you think i am out of line.

When I saw the statement from the sheriff saying Nancy might not be found “for years”it made my blood boil. Nancy doesn’t have years!!!

Some people are just insane. i mean, who would say that? if i came up missing at my age and i thought the sheriff said that about me and then said he was exhausted I would think he has given up. If I could do so right now, I would grab him by the ear and make him squeal. The nerve of that man!
To me, it seemed passive-agressive. He said she might be found, 'in one hour, or weeks, months, or years."

As if he wanted to upset people without doing so openly. Passive-agressive.
 
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The judge has to sign a warrant for any search. So it has to be something legitimate! That’s what makes it even scarier. How are they getting warrants for nothing?
How do you know it was for nothing? like you said, there was something that warranted the warrant or it would not have been issued.
 
  • #29,407
To me, it seemed passive-agressive. He said she might be found, 'in one hour, or weeks, months, or years."

As if he wanted to upset people without doing so openly. Passive-agressive.
He sounded frustrated, with what we can't know, the whole investigation? People holding stuff back when questioned? Perhaps some detail they overlooked?
 
  • #29,408
We have an internal camera set up for safeguarding father in law , it’s not set to alert us but it’s recording for evidence in case of any incidents.

I still think there’s no way Nancy had internal cameras, it would be the first thing mentioned on the timeline
 
  • #29,409
Whatever purpose of holstering this way, it is deliberate IMO. Either habitual or offleading.
He could have move it to the front temporarily so he could help NG out of the house without the gun getting in the way.
 
  • #29,410
something that I find odd is it seems few of the homes I have seen on maps in the area have fences or gates, don't coyotes and other wild animals live in the area?
 
  • #29,411
This is interesting. I do think that installing interior cameras is something that folks do. I know someone who did it and it was suggested by several people that we do it for our elderly mother. However, we thought it was way too intrusive and settled on the around-the-neck life line type thing. It would be interesting to know for an actual fact if she did have those installed. I’d be surprised, as she seemed to appreciate her independence.

Do we know that when A got the call from NG’s friend that she didn’t check the cameras then not seeing NG, or worst seeing something disturbing instead of her mom, race to the home after a minute of looking around there in increasing panic called 911?

My mom did not like wearing the alert necklace. They are kind of long.

But most of all she was very dressy to her last day and social so she wasn’t going to wear the old lady thing.

It’s the cameras that let them keep their independence and live alone in a big house like that, imo.

Once they have one close call one way or another and scare themselves they are more willing to be checked on.

If they are by themselves in a big house with lots of outdoor seating and a pool it seems prudent to have the cameras.

Simple falls can turn serious if the elderly get stuck on the floor for a long time.

With the guest house there was room in the future for live in help. But maybe she wasn’t there just yet.

All imo
 
  • #29,412
Someone who had done work in her home may have innocently bragged to friends or extended family that it was a rich house and she was the mother of SG. And didn't realize that they had planted a seed in this person's mind to hatch a plan.

I have heard of cases that began this way: One within my own extended family, and one was the famous true crime murder story in the book, In Cold Blood.

Also, when we were growing up my grandparents had a farm in a rural area, and a neighbor had a huge, sophisticated and very expensive coin collection.

Someone had been there to see it; told a friend who told a friend who came in the dead of night, pistol whipped and tied the guy up, and stole the coins. The victim lived and the man was caught in that case. The point is, it is a common origin of crime.
This was my original feeling. I also felt the ransom notes were a separate crime by an opportunistic scammer.
Still my feeling actually but I'm not as convinced as I was initially given the subsequent events.

After last night, my opinion changed to it being a group....3, 4 or more individuals involved, and that the ransom is connected. But since nothing came of that (unless there's more investigation we don't know about) I'm back to the original thought, though a lot less convinced.
It's taking too long to flush out a person or pair who I saw then as likely to have made mistakes. Especially since shortly after, FBI, forensics, tech experts, etc, have been involved. But maybe he/they were just very lucky, or in fact extremely well prepared.
But who knows, I have no clue.
 
  • #29,413
I have mixed feelings about this sketch.

Obviously, Lois Gibson is amazing, and has an preternatural ability to suss out the human face from almost nothing. She stated she saw the suspect as mid-30s to early 40s. But I feel like the video suspect is younger than portrayed in her sketch, maybe more 20s to early 30s.

Let me blithely contradict someone with decades of expertise here with my weak reasoning.

His movements seem fairly fluid and only slightly stiff, like someone who sits a lot but is young enough to not yet be so tight from the inactivity. Maybe a round of golf here and there.

Compare this to the footage of Michael McKee from the Tepe murder case. I could see he walked like a 35-45 year old (getting stiffer, foot splayed out - like looking in the mirror, minus the murder part).

We don't know if LE has the suspect's DNA. But if they do, and he's not in CODIS, he has not committed a felony in the U.S., and I believe he's a U.S. citizen. It rare to go from no serious criminal history to celebrity kidnapper without a few legal bumps along the way in 4 to 5 decades of life. And that's why I think he younger - and just ramping up.

Since he's not received the money, he's clearly not a criminal mastermind, but he could be a cybercrime wonk. Unfortunately, for him, the cybercrime smarts mean nothing if he wasn't savvy enough to expect to prove evidence of life. This points to the overconfidence of youth and failure to understand other people's needs and desires.

Now, let me make some more wild assumptions based on no facts, knowledge, or expertise whatsoever.

I think the suspect has a white collar job, maybe in tech, and doesn't live far from Nancy. He's from a wealthy family but is a loner. He may have some juvenile records (maybe peeping tom, harassment, stalking), but nothing major since becoming an adult.

He's not "a gun person" based on the holster positioning, or wants us to believe that. Either way, I think he googled his way to "Mexican carry" (which I know it is not; it's appendix carry) to hint at gang or cartel involvement as a racist disguise of sorts. It was entirely for show, but not to scare Nancy in her dark house, who couldn't see it, but for the camera.

I think he could be wearing a bit of makeup, maybe some eye liner, maybe some foundation, maybe fake facial hair.

Since he's a tech guy, he'd know that he'd eventually appear on video salvaged from the Nest backend. But he'd also know it'd take some legal legwork to recover it, which made the discovery feel authentic and like LE has the upper hand. But his little lantana show for the camera was planned. He's confident he won't be identified by video as he feels well out of LE's scope - he ain't no DoorDasher.

I don't think Nancy is alive. I believe she was intentionally attacked and killed the night she disappeared, and the guy who did it is truly sick, but you wouldn't know it if you met him. The suspect will cut his losses on the ransom before risking getting caught. He doesn't need the money. He just likes inflicting maximum pain. However, he does like the attention the spectacle has caused, and may wish to keep that going.

End of drivel.
I agree with much of what you said, and I also think he moved like a younger person, but not a very active person. I do not think he has a white collar job, and perhaps not any "typical" job. I agree that he will probably cut his losses rather than get caught. He may have already gotten most of what he wanted with all the attention and by outsmarting LE for this long.
 
  • #29,414
I want to make a comment that is MY option only. Mods, feel free to delete if you think i am out of line.

When I saw the statement from the sheriff saying Nancy might not be found “for years”it made my blood boil. Nancy doesn’t have years!!!

Some people are just insane. i mean, who would say that? if i came up missing at my age and i thought the sheriff said that about me and then said he was exhausted I would think he has given up. If I could do so right now, I would grab him by the ear and make him squeal. The nerve of that man!
It made me upset as well. Especially knowing her children would hear it. Everyone is suffering enough.
 
  • #29,415
I want to make a comment that is MY option only. Mods, feel free to delete if you think i am out of line.

When I saw the statement from the sheriff saying Nancy might not be found “for years”it made my blood boil. Nancy doesn’t have years!!!

Some people are just insane. i mean, who would say that? if i came up missing at my age and i thought the sheriff said that about me and then said he was exhausted I would think he has given up. If I could do so right now, I would grab him by the ear and make him squeal. The nerve of that man!
Does anyone know if there is someone in the dept who can take charge of the sheriff's duties. I'm concerned that if he feels exhausted, he is not fully able to look at clues and evidence. JMO
 
  • #29,416
I don't have a pool. Could the pool cleaner vacuumed the bottom of the pool for evidence?

JMO as I don't know.
I do have a pool and this is the first place my mind went when I saw them cleaning the pool.
 
  • #29,417
I think that’s incorrect based on their source and how I read the story and also how I have them set up for 90yo mother. They said they were strategically positioned pointing in a way that they would know if she fell - basic summary. You don’t set them up so they go off every time someone is walking around. I found that out the hard way. And they’re not ring cameras that I have. They’re more directed that I can also manually rotate and it’s also a narrower frame of picture - not the whole room.

CCTV systems of all brands (at all levels) also record all motion even if you don't have an push alert to your phone configured (I am very familiar with 4K POE CCTV). I highly doubt hey just had a live system, they'd want to go back and see any falls or issues they likely would have missed if needed. I don't know if they had PTZ cams (pan-tilt-zoom) that rotate manually, but those too record motion alerts to a cloud storage w/o alerts (so they don't have to get home and go through hours of footage to check on their mom if she was in this or that room). If anyone installed the system it would surely be configured this way especially for the purpose of checking on an old lady. Most systems are defaulted this way and it makes no sense to neuter it to just a "live" viewing passive system.
 
  • #29,418
Why on earth would a homeless person with no connection to Nancy risk moving her body ?
IMO to move her he had to have a car, with that bulky backpack and NG who couldn't walk very far he would have struggled to carry her any distance, even getting her to a car parked nearby wouldn't have been easy,
 
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Local news KOLD 13 posted an update about 20 mins ago stating that FBI
Why on earth would a homeless person with no connection to Nancy risk moving her body ?
the homeless people here are not going through all that trouble. They usually steal bikes, tools and whatever they can from unlocked cars.
 

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