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Why was he in her house for so long? Between 1:47 and 2:24 (I think). Nothing makes sense.
Maybe panicking, figuring out what to do 🤷‍♀️ I still think there were 2 people and door cam man came second to help remove her MOO
 
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Why was he in her house for so long? Between 1:47 and 2:24 (I think). Nothing makes sense.
possibly because he is slow at his job
 
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Respectfully, LE do not owe the public any kind of explanation. We have no idea what they are working off of or what led them to treat the situation Friday like they did, nor should we.
I’m sure, besides the family, no one wants to get to the bottom of this more than the officers and agents working nonstop through this mess.
you are quite right, Im embarrassed by my statement. Newish not sure how to delete
 
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Why was he in her house for so long? Between 1:47 and 2:24 (I think). Nothing makes sense.

The way I took it was he disabled the camera at 1:47 and wasn’t inside until after he maybe cased the perimeter of the home to find a break in point. Who knows how long it took him to actually enter the home.
 
  • #29,886
Agree to disagree…especially with the sheriff and his comment of how it might take years.
When the sheriff said it might take years, it makes me wonder if he said it to throw off someone to think they’re not close to finding them, but instead they’re very close.
 
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I think I watched that 2 days ago and it had not long been uploaded, so... recent.

Do you have an opinion what that story is ?

Mine is that because he doesn't perform well in interview/presser situations and because he's previously mis-spoken and been criticised... he is highly vigilant over what he's saying so I can't read him. What I see is him thinking hard how to phrase what he needs to say. I also think he has a reasonably expressive face so I expect eye darting and head movements. Just what I see.
I think some are concentrating too much on whether someone is cleared or not. To clear someone and then later charge them surely would have consequences during any trial?
 
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Why was he in her house for so long? Between 1:47 and 2:24 (I think). Nothing makes sense.
Yes usually kidnappers are quick. It is a business crime, not personal. They typically will not spend time in the home. They are not interested in petty theft or leaving evidence in the home. They want to avoid detection and will try to be in and out in a matter of minutes?

How long would it take a young man or two men to take an elderly woman out of her bed to a car waiting out front?

But if there was only one man, and the victim puts up a struggle it might take longer? Or the kidnapper is foolish, an amateur and decides to take some items from the home. Or perhaps the kindapper is staging the crime scene a bit for some reason?
 
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When the sheriff said it might take years, it makes me wonder if he said it to throw off someone to think they’re not close to finding them, but instead they’re very close.
I would hope this is the reason. Just my opinion, but I feel it was highly irresponsible for him to say this.
 
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Why was he in her house for so long? Between 1:47 and 2:24 (I think). Nothing makes sense.

We don't know that he was. The door nest cam disconnected at 1:47 a.m. We don't see him on her porch until 2:12 a.m. per TMZ.
We don't know where he entered and we don't know when he entered.

We only have that he was on her porch at 2:12 a.m. and the camera is still there but Nancy's blood is not there yet. Then Nancy's pacemaker is somehow separated from her phone shortly before 2:28 a.m.

If he hadn't gotten into her house at that point when he is seen on the porch then this places the abduction in a shorter window of time.
 
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you are quite right, Im embarrassed by my statement. Newish not sure how to delete
Don’t worry about it; everybody gets frustrated sometimes.
 
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Well I’m just thrilled to hear they may have been using a sniffer for the pacemaker which some of us have been discussing over the last few days. I agree that a drone would be better than helicopter but I’m sure they have already thought of that, they will be able to have multiple devices with the sniffer on so potentially could have it on foot as well as in the air. It would be really useful when searching terrain. If they are performing any searches based on tips, it makes sense for them to carry the sniffer on the off chance it could pick up the signal.

Unfortunately, I agree with others that the perps would be able to easily find out how to disable the pacemaker, it may be a ploy to get them to panic and try to move Nancy (if they are being surveilled).
 
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Maybe panicking, figuring out what to do 🤷‍♀️ I still think there were 2 people and door cam man came second to help remove her MOO
Yes if this was a young, inexperienced person it might take them longer. It might not be unfolding like in books and movies. If he is on his own, it is harder to move a person out the door than he thought. The victim might be fighting back or freaking out. Not be as cooperative as planned. Or the victim could faint and be dead weight.

Or the kidnapper is committing other crimes in the home.
 
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why would the sheriff have a “pecker” contest with the FBI unless he knows something about who did it? Every part of this case is fishy. Also, why would anybody kidnap an old lady with as many issues as Nancy has and give no proof of life? What has been shared with the media is much less than what has been shared in previous kidnapping cases. And why not give ransom demands directly to the family?
 
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Maybe panicking, figuring out what to do 🤷‍♀️ I still think there were 2 people and door cam man came second to help remove her MOO
So your theory is that someone else came in the back door to subdue the victim? Door Cam man came in the front door to help remove the victim to the car waiting out front?
 
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Search for Savannah Guthrie's Abducted Mom Nancy Could Take 'Years,' Local Sheriff Says

The way I read that was "Maybe it’s weeks or months or (even) years from now.

Not the same as that truncated quote in the headline IMO.

Then again, nobody would have thought "years" applied to Missy Bevers back in 2016.

In fact, FBI data indicates roughly half of all murders in the United States go unsolved, with recent data showing clearance rates around 50-58%
 
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The way I took it was he disabled the camera at 1:47 and wasn’t inside until after he maybe cased the perimeter of the home to find a break in point. Who knows how long it took him to actually enter the home.
If this is what happened, isn't it foolish of this guy to alert the door bell camera that he was on the premises while he is still trying to gain entry?
 
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Couldn't agree more.

Brian Entin hits another home run.

One of the best -- if not the best -- reports since poor Nancy Guthrie went missing.

Also, a tip-of-the hat to retired FBI agent Steve Moore who was also very impressive.

Thanks for sharing this. Very insightful.
 
  • #29,899
Right, more DNA to find.

I missed part of yesterday, who owns the grey Range Rover, taken from the burger place?
How does the RR fit into yesterday’s raids?

Thanks in advance. jMO
I’m not sure if the driver of the RR is connected to the house that was raided or not or if this is a different suspect. It was mentioned a vehicle was pulled over for a traffic stop and that’s the RR. IMO
 
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This entire investigation seems to be so hapless. I can't imagine how frustrated Savannah must be. It feels to me like her sister and brother in law must have something to do with this, based partly on how they behaved immediately after it happened, and partly on his gambling debts, as well as him being the last one to see her alive. Does anyone know---are they staying nearby? I read that they left their house last week.
Source for gambling debts?
 

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