• #29,861
For me, to answer that is difficult because, sadly, I do not believe Ms Guthrie is still with us...so, imo, it won't happen.

Hypothetically, naturally it'll set a precedent and I'd imagine it will be copied to some extent. Where I live, USA is already viewed as crime ridden so, it'll just be one more variant of society.

I think it's too hard to hold hostages and it takes an enterprise. Also, kidnap and murder? in the U.S. means a possible death sentence.
 
  • #29,862
Why would NG bleed and why would blood be outside? Carried out in a poorly sealed tarp? Confronted someone at the door? Blood placed there? Probably the biggest risk of perp getting noticed was her screaming or someone hearing a gun shot. Perhaps the gun worn in front was so it could be seen to instill fear. Gloves under gloves provides no dexterity or ability to shoot. That’s why he didn’t cover the camera with tape. he had to grab something he could manage. Then he probably just pushed it off. it possibly kept recording because he didn’t have the ability to remove the battery. So therefore his only purpose was to grab her and carry her out or make her walk out.
 
  • #29,863
Why would NG bleed and why would blood be outside? Carried out in a poorly sealed tarp? Confronted someone at the door? Blood placed there? Probably the biggest risk of perp getting noticed was her screaming or someone hearing a gun shot. Perhaps the gun worn in front was so it could be seen to instill fear. Gloves under gloves provides no dexterity or ability to shoot. That’s why he didn’t cover the camera with tape. he had to grab something he could manage. Then he probably just pushed it off. it possibly kept recording because he didn’t have the ability to remove the battery. So therefore his only purpose was to grab her and carry her out or make her walk out.
I don’t think she would have walked out silently. I think she was likely knocked out/stunned inside by someone other than door camera man and then he has helped remove her after disabling the camera. I think the blood drops are from either her nose or a head injury as she was carried out. Obviously all JMO
 
  • #29,864
How is it possible that the feds can’t track down the sender of the emails? We are focused on the “recovered” video footage. Also what about the roof camera?
This shocks me. It should not take this long or be this difficult. They need to build a relationships with tech.
 
  • #29,865
What date was this? His eyes as soon as he’s asked the question tell a bit of a story IMO

I think I watched that 2 days ago and it had not long been uploaded, so... recent.

Do you have an opinion what that story is ?

Mine is that because he doesn't perform well in interview/presser situations and because he's previously mis-spoken and been criticised... he is highly vigilant over what he's saying so I can't read him. What I see is him thinking hard how to phrase what he needs to say. I also think he has a reasonably expressive face so I expect eye darting and head movements. Just what I see.
 
  • #29,866
Forgive me, my brain's so overloaded. What is significant about January 11th?
If you open that x link it says “The crucial times are from 10 p.m. on January 11 to 1 a.m. on January 12 and from 11 p.m. on January 31 to 4 a.m. on February 1. This footage could be critical to the investigation, authorities said.”

A message from Ring neighbors app earlier this week listed the Jan 11 date but then LE said that the message wasn’t from officials and was from someone random, and to look for Jan 1-Feb 2. Now it seems like they actually were interested in Jan 11 specifically. Could be someone casing NG’s house or something like that, imo.

 
  • #29,867
Is the house that was raided last night within this perimeter?
Yes, but it’s so close to NG’s house that it wouldn’t make sense not to be included. AG and SIL’s house is also within the perimeter. MOO
 
  • #29,868
I don't know whether any of the band members are involved or not but I do know that their music is horrible.
This made me laugh..and I have to agree..
 
  • #29,869
In your opinion, if the ransom is paid, NG is released, and the kidnappers get away with millions in bitcoin, would this trigger a wave of copycat kidnappings in the USA?
This⬆️⬆️ has been weighing on my mind for days. I feel that, no matter the outcome of this case, it may prompt some to consider this idea. Abduction seems all too common these days. Children and adults go missing. FBI crime data shows almost 2,300 people are reported missing every day in the US. While 98% of these cases are resolved quickly, 2% are not.
Common reasons for reported disappearances include runaways, parental abductions, and individuals with cognitive impairments or mental health crises.
 
  • #29,870
A banner with a growing collection of well-wishes from supporters reads 'bring her home' (not pictured) and shows a photo of Nancy Guthrie, the 84-year-old mother of US journalist and television host Savannah Guthrie, who disappeared from her home nearly two weeks ago (Image: Reuters)'bring her home' (not pictured) and shows a photo of Nancy Guthrie, the 84-year-old mother of US journalist and television host Savannah Guthrie, who disappeared from her home nearly two weeks ago (Image: Reuters)
A banner with a growing collection of well-wishes from supporters reads 'bring her home' (not pictured) and shows a photo of Nancy Guthrie, the 84-year-old mother of US journalist and television host Savannah Guthrie, who disappeared from her home nearly two weeks ago (Image

The Federal Bureau Of Investigation (FBI) stated that it has received over 13,000 tips since February 1. Meanwhile, the Pima County Sheriff’s Department said it has handled at least 18,000 calls related to the case

Nancy's longtime friend, Jacqueline Sharkey, described the 84-year-old as a steady, unifying presence in the groups she belongs to, including her church and local advocacy organizations. Speaking on CNN's AC360, Sharkey said Guthrie’s disappearance has created a “tremendous tear in the fabric of the community

Authorities have employed a high-tech Bluetooth scanner mounted on the undersides of law enforcement helicopters to detect Nancy Guthrie’s pacemaker signal, Fox News report noted, adding that the helicopters typically fly at low altitudes in grid patterns and at a slow speed to capture these signals.
Do we know what advocacy groups she was in? Could that have triggered somebody? First I'm hearing of this.
 
  • #29,871
Yes, but it’s so close to NG’s house that it wouldn’t make sense not to be included. AG and SIL’s house is also within the perimeter. MOO
They give specific street names of interest. I wonder if anyone local can deduce anything from those streets/route
 
  • #29,872
Why would NG bleed and why would blood be outside? Carried out in a poorly sealed tarp? Confronted someone at the door? Blood placed there? Probably the biggest risk of perp getting noticed was her screaming or someone hearing a gun shot. Perhaps the gun worn in front was so it could be seen to instill fear. Gloves under gloves provides no dexterity or ability to shoot. That’s why he didn’t cover the camera with tape. he had to grab something he could manage. Then he probably just pushed it off. it possibly kept recording because he didn’t have the ability to remove the battery. So therefore his only purpose was to grab her and carry her out or make her walk out.
Why would she bleed? Because she tried to defend self or get away to safety. My 80 year old relative punched 70ish male neighbor when he tried to get in her home uninvited. She said it was instant reaction, she didn’t think about her age or futility of her punch.
When LE got involved, neighbor said he wanted to help her hang Christmas lights. Sadly, police didn’t take it seriously (police chided her for punching him) and we helped her move asap as the situation was tense and confusing. Neighbor had been doing odd things in lead up to try to push past her to get into her home. She never talked to this guy nor invited him to hang lights.
IMO NG instantly reacted and tried to flee and the criminals subdued her, not considering the frailty of 84 yr old.
 
  • #29,873
I think I watched that 2 days ago and it had not long been uploaded, so... recent.

Do you have an opinion what that story is ?

Mine is that because he doesn't perform well in interview/presser situations and because he's previously mis-spoken and been criticised... he is highly vigilant over what he's saying so I can't read him. What I see is him thinking hard how to phrase what he needs to say. I also think he has a reasonably expressive face so I expect eye darting and head movements. Just what I see.
I think he didn’t want to answer the question and I think it’s very interesting that 14 odd days in he still won’t say the family has been cleared.

I do honestly hope they aren’t involved though for the rest of the family’s sake
 
  • #29,874
What power do old folks wield? Power of the pen. You can’t change your will if you are not able to sign it or assign a power of attorney. Perhaps a decree of tough love was expressed.
 
  • #29,875
I'm posting this for those who may have missed it. Brian Entin is speaking with a retired FBI agent—lots of good information/explanation about the case.
Couldn't agree more.

Brian Entin hits another home run.

One of the best -- if not the best -- reports since poor Nancy Guthrie went missing.

Also, a tip-of-the hat to retired FBI agent Steve Moore who was also very impressive.

 
  • #29,876
They give specific street names of interest. I wonder if anyone local can deduce anything from those streets/route
Well they list Roller Coaster Rd as a west barrier but then list La Cholla as well, which is further west. Roller Coaster is just past AGs house. (But the map photo boundary does go to La Cholla).

It also includes a few miles west of NG’s house but doesn’t go east of her house much at all.

My opinion only.
 
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  • #29,877
Haven't got caught up yet just wanted to reshare the alert that LE gave neighbors last week where they mention specific times and dates to check for any footage they may have.


Sidenote: January 11th is national human trafficking awareness day. Seniors are sometimes trafficked for fraud.
 
  • #29,878
I think it's too hard to hold hostages and it takes an enterprise. Also, kidnap and murder? in the U.S. means a possible death sentence.
Yes let's do the math. I agree it is going to take a team to kidnap a person and then hold them until the ransom is paid. It is going to take someone who can break into a home, transport the victim out of the home, into a secure, secret location. The victim must be fed, housed, taken care of to the extent they remain alive. And it all must be done in a way that the victim cannot see or detect the location and identify of the perpetrators. This will require at least two people. Perhaps more?

Then they will need a person who has expertise in internet security and finance. Who can conduct the ransom part of the operation. This is a third person.

So a bare minimum of three people, perhaps more. In the Guthrie case they are asking for $6 million. It would have to be split at least three ways after operating expenses. $2 million might seem like a lot of money, but the people are facing the death penalty or life in prison. And will be on the lam or lookout for the rest of their lives. And they know that anyone in the rest of the team could turn them in at anytime to save their own skin.
 
  • #29,879
Why was he in her house for so long? Between 1:47 and 2:24 (I think). Nothing makes sense.
 
  • #29,880
Haven't got caught up yet just wanted to reshare the alert that LE gave neighbors last week where they mention specific times and dates to check for any footage they may have.


Sidenote: January 11th is national human trafficking awareness day. Seniors are sometimes trafficked for fraud.
Now this is interesting. Why does the Jan 11 time stop at 11pm if they are saying she was abducted around 1.45-2.20am on Feb 1st. I know there was a refreshed request for footage from Jan 11 today, I’ll check the times on that when I get up in the morning
 

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