AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[AppleTreeGreen]

Oh

The original questions are about the guy on the video cam on the front porch.
-Why does he look so nonchalant as he is about to commit a very serious crime which could result in the death penalty or life in prison?
-Why does he show his face to the camera?
-Why does he act like he didn't know the camera was operative?
-Why is he ill prepared to disable the camera?

Possibilities:
He could be young, naive, foolish. Using drugs. Impaired judgement
Maybe he isn't the one committing the major crime. He is just at the front door to help get victim to the car.
Maybe someone else came the back door, grabbed the victim, brought her to front door.
Perhaps that person told front door man all cameras had been disabled.
Perhaps they thought if they killed the wifi the cameras would be disabled.
This was just staging, pretending there was a kidnapping to cover up a murder. Play acting.
It was all spur of the moment, no time to plan ahead.

Oh interesting I had the opposite impression and thought the reason that he walked up to the door with his head down but hand up and curled was because he knew he was walking towards a Nest doorbell camera even if he couldn’t see or tell the exact spot at first. I am not sure why he didn’t come prepared beforehand with a scarf or something to block the camera but he did make sure to bring a flashlight and screw to remove and thus disconnect the camera. He does so pretty fast too though considering IMO he may have poor or strained night vision or it is just that dark. Perhaps he may not have had conducted a kidnapping before but has experience committing crimes related to breaking and entering and the disabling of security systems and such.

I noticed too he dives down towards his left originally seemingly in attempt to grab the flowers only to realize there are no pots there. But he doesn’t dive or glance towards his right at all. I wonder if NG ever kept her potted plants there before and if so, if that indicates the perp has definitely been there before and has even gone up to and walked through NG’s door? JMO

I do wonder though why he didn’t seem concerned or anxious about the possibility of the Nest camera alerting and waking NG as it informed her that there was someone at the door. Or of the prospect of it alerting her children in the likelihood she shared access to her account with them as well? Even if he thought NG and AG were asleep that late at night, how sure was he it wouldn’t wake them up? I know mine does as I find the sound of my own system’s alert perpetually annoying and loud. And as for SG, she is in NY. The entire state, not just the city, doesn’t sleep. What info did he have that he wasn’t worried about this risk or let it stop him from continuing to carry out his horrific crime?

JMO/IMO

 

[Fargo]

Yes, I meant by pulling the release and lifting it. And thank you for this. I didn't even know that there were app's for a garage door

Most main brand garage door openers now come with MyQ already in them. Whether or not you choose to use the app is up to you. IMO

 

[diggndeeperstill]

Yes. Saw that this morning also. Honestly it feels like they’re not saying much at all here tbh. Very vague language.

The only thing they didn’t say is the vehicle I guess. Maybe it’s somehow linked.

I only saw leaning away from family but missed all the other. So much media now it’s hard to keep up.

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

To be specific, the Rio Rico raid was a mother-in-law and son-in-law. Her son was involved by being home at the time but the POI was her son-in-law taken in the traffic stop. According to Brian Entin’s interview on NewsNation on YT. As I understand it.

Correct. JMO

 

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[DizzyB]

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I am suggesting that it is difficult to rule it out based on what we know. Having difficulty with the ransom notes and it being a primary motive due to who it was sent to and no known follow up besides the 1st 2, Harvey Levin (not a fan of his) saying it was very well written grammatically and layered ransom note. He's an editor. At a sketchy org but still an editor. IMO someone well educated wrote those notes. And if notes are not connected to ransom notes then is it primary kidnapping for ransom with no known other notes? Lack of effort re ransom keeps this option open. Then it goes to who stands to gain. Some we know. Some we may not.

My job is heavily encouraging us to use AI in our communications, as well as in processing information. You can sort of see when AI is used to create a document, but then again, you can tell AI to make it less like that. It’s freaky. I’d like to know HL’s opinion on the note that his site received. Was it well written by a human or assisted by AI?

I am over the glove situation for now. I’m tired of trying to interpret which gloves are mentioned by the Sheriff, and the FBI, and where they were located. I guess that the FBI is referring to the actual type of glove that seems to be like the glove worn in the Nest footage. That’s all I’ve got for now.

 

[maskedwoman]

I hope they are leaning toward something then. Not an encouraging statement.

Or even leaning the same direction this evening or tomorrow.

 

[TBYOOL]

NOT understanding the garage door obsession. She might carry her clicker with her in her pocketbook and as she us being driven into the driveway by SIL, for example, the door goes up. Then she fumbles with pocketbook, leans over to kiss SIL goodbye and carefully gets out of car. Steadies herself with her cane and walks into the garage. She opens or unlocks her door that leads from inside the garage to the house then hits whatever it is she hits to close garage door. I believe Sherriff said time was approximate. She arrived home and entered alone , IMO and was confronted for the first time by Lantana Man at whatever the sheriff said ~ 148 ish or whenever the Nest camera stopped showing Lantana man.. AT SOME POINT, seconds is just nitpicking. IMHO. Nothing is absolute. 2 minutes vs 1 minute 30 seconds or 2 minutes 15 seconds is just not dipositive of ANYTHING, IMO. 2 minutes seems fine to me. JMO..MOO

Fortunately, you need not understand, but I think obsession is too strong. These points are as worthy of consideration as many others especially since the door has been used to suggest criminality on the part of an individual. Thus noting and gaining an additional sense of possibilities seems responsible within this format. Also, with many thousands of posts several overall areas of consideration require reminders and reconsiderations which become accepted as fact when they are far from it. I concur with the overall notion of your post even if I don’t agree with its tone. MOO

 

[Nikynoo]

I'm not sure if it's been mentioned previously, but the 'rucksack', if this was a robbery, not initially a kidnapping, would be for carrying away stolen goods i.e. silver plates, candle stick holder etc.

I do wonder whether the backpack was full because he had burgled other premises before reaching Nancys? However, imo the backpack did not seem heavy and seemed to have a bulky item in it.

 

[Napoli]

Thanks for the info re kidnapping.

Also, to add, if the person died during the crime at their home, and the person was then removed, It May not be considered a kidnapping.

In the case that a DB is moved After death, it is murder or manslaughter and tampering with a human body.

This is just my understanding. Thoughts on this?

JMO

I am operating under the supposition that the blood spatter was frim a living NG BEING REMOVED FROM THE HOUSE. Otherwise...i guess it might be homicide with improper disposal of human remains. I dunno. jmo

 

[EncyclopediaBrownJr]

It is not uncommon for articles taken from a crime scene to be scattered along a roadway.
We have a picture of a suspect with a black glove on Nancy’s front porch on the night she disappeared.
You have a dilemma. What would you do in the immediate aftermath of the crime? If you are found with a black glove matching what is seen on the camera footage and it contains Nancy’s dna, you are likely in deep doo doo.
If you throw the glove out the window and it has Nancy’s dna, you have to be confident that you didn’t leave any trace evidence that would lead back to you.
Which would you pick?

The perp had a woman that he just abducted in his car. Throwing the glove out the window two miles from the crime scene doesn’t put him in less danger of getting caught while getting away.

 

[VicBlazey]

Unknown male profile. Timestamp: 00:25.

Ah sorry, too much info flying about! Thanks for clarifying

 

[Fargo]

"...and are awaiting quality control and official confirmation today before putting unknown profile into CODIS..."

"Male" at 00:25.

 

[jtfolden]

I'm not sure if it's been mentioned previously, but the 'rucksack', if this was a robbery, not initially a kidnapping, would be for carrying away stolen goods i.e. silver plates, candle stick holder etc.

If you’re referring to the backpack then it appeared as if it already had something packed in it. It could have been another bag if this was a robbery or far more sinister things.

However, a simple break-in and robbery is unlikely turn into a kidnapping. Even if she had been killed in the process, it’s unlikely the body would have been removed in that scenario.

I don’t currently believe this was a kidnapping for ransom but doubt it started out as a simple burglary either. Given the guy wasn’t even equipped to quickly deal with a doorbell camera then it’s hard telling how well thought out any of it was as well.

 

[Fargo]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2023121557502009842

I really wish they hadn't publicized this because I don't want to start talking about methods of pacemaker removal again. IMO

 

[NAM21]

THIS!!! Explained perfectly. Please scream it from the mountain top cuz people ain't getting it

Seems like you would have to take the light out of your mouth at some point and put some DNA on a glove. MOO

 

[allboys]

Over the years, once I’ve gotten (mentally) invested in a case on here, I stay with it for the long haul. This is the first time I’m stepping away. My theories are all over the place. I’m baffled and befuddled by how some things have been handled. This a strange case, and a sad case. My time is better spent visiting with my 84 year old mother. That said, it has was interesting reading from the sharp minded sleuthers on this thread- some familiar to me, and some new. Still hoping for a good outcome, but if not good, I hope for swift resolution from here. And justice to be served!!

 

[Cassie P]

Oh

Oh interesting I had the opposite impression and thought the reason that he walked up to the door with his head down but hand up and curled was because he knew he was walking towards a Nest doorbell camera even if he couldn’t see or tell the exact spot at first. I am not sure why he didn’t come prepared beforehand with a scarf or something to block the camera but he did make sure to bring a flashlight and screw to remove and thus disconnect the camera. He does so pretty fast too though considering IMO he may have poor or strained night vision or it is just that dark. Perhaps he may not have had conducted a kidnapping before but has experience committing crimes related to breaking and entering and the disabling of security systems and such.

I noticed too he dives down towards his left originally seemingly in attempt to grab the flowers only to realize there are no pots there. But he doesn’t dive or glance towards his right at all. I wonder if NG ever kept her potted plants there before and if so, if that indicates the perp has definitely been there before and has even gone up to and walked through NG’s door? JMO

I do wonder though why he didn’t seem concerned or anxious about the possibility of the Nest camera alerting and waking NG as it informed her that there was someone at the door. Or of the prospect of it alerting her children in the likelihood she shared access to her account with them as well? Even if he thought NG and AG were asleep that late at night, how sure was he it wouldn’t wake them up? I know mine does as I find the sound of my own system’s alert perpetually annoying and loud. And as for SG, she is in NY. The entire state, not just the city, doesn’t sleep. What info did he have that he wasn’t worried about this risk or let it stop him from continuing to carry out his horrific crime?

JMO/IMO

Interesting comments and everything you say is quite possible.
Again we have this idea that he is comfortable with screwdriver, etc and the bite light. And has been to the property before. Perhaps an electrician or plumber prior visit?

Yes. I had the same question, why isn't he concerned the door bell with alert the homeowner and family of his presence? Did he think it had been disarmed by someone else?

 

[Napoli]

Let's pretend PERP used his car. He probably doesnt drive his car on a daily basis wearing gloves. DNA from his steering wheel could be on outside of gloves..JMO

 

[submarine7]

I really wish they hadn't publicized this because I don't want to start talking about methods of pacemaker removal again. IMO

I brought the topic up last night as small talk with friends then realized and shut myself down. These things burrow in after 20 pages.