• #31,021
Burglary doesn't necessarily mean "theft."

It's unlawful entry with the intent to commit a felony, which encompasses other possible crimes.
true,

so what's the incentive from the "burglary" if it wasn't NG.

if they're stating it 'went wrong' that means NG wasn't supposed to be the target...? jmo

btw I thought I replied to a tweet that said ''believe she could be alive''

which extra doesn't make sense if burglary = not robbery but some other intended crime.
 
  • #31,022
The poster ended their post with JMO - so it is an opinion only. Early in the case I heard on a new story that a close neighbor lost their wifi connection at approximately the same time. However, since I only heard it this is also JMO.

So LE has not said if the wifi was cut or disconnected to the house, so whether it was or not is presently unknown?

I thought perhaps they had and it was the OPs opinion the cable was cut leading to the house. That’s quite specific.
 
  • #31,023
Someone further up thread said about a month. I have no knowledge just quoting someone else’s insight.
As I recall, family said, very early on 24 or 48 hours (Savannah's first instagram) (not sure which) lack of meds could be fatal. But they still believe she is alive, 2 weeks later.....go figure. JMO
 
  • #31,024
It could be a burglary by someone who knew her. Even though he was masked she may have recognized his voice so he decided to kill her and remove body because it was evidence. JMO.
That is a good point - if she recognised their voice and told them so then its game over for them. JMO.
 
  • #31,025
Also, the "could be alive" statement. If a burglary gone wrong, and burglary was the motive, how and where would a burglar conceal a living NG and for what purpose?

41 minutes in the house.....may there have been talk between them?
Remember the case where a woman was held hostage for a couple of days, but managed to convince him to let her go? She talked religion and faith and redemption with him, and I believe he turned himself in.

This would be a miracle if NG is still alive....somehow, somewhere.
Yes, I remember that story about the way the lady talked about redemption, faith, God loves him!
(the hostage taker). It broke him, he turned himself in. Really amazing.
Jmo
 
  • #31,026
What constitutes a burglary “gone wrong?” She wakes up, discovers him/ them ransacking her things and threatens to call 911? In reality, with an iPhone or watch, one only has to ask Siri to do that. Maybe she actually had a bit of fight in her and she ran to do just that and/or even unmasked him in a struggle. Then she could not be left behind. JMO
I think she could have recognized him.
 
Last edited:
  • #31,027

The home/crime scene was released back to family originally within a few days after the disappearance wasn’t it? That means any new evidence found after that cannot be considered real evidence. It could have been planted to incriminate someone.
This is where a defense trial attorney enters and can succeed in having any of that evidence thrown out if the prosecution enters it.
imo
 
  • #31,028
It seems they were doing this within days according to this, unless I'm misinterpreting.

Shows heli flying low Feb 4th

Nancy Guthrie disappearance: Sheriff says no arrests, none remain in custody after major operation | Live Updates from Fox News Digital Nancy Guthrie disappearance: Sheriff says no arrests, none remain in custody after major operation
Good find…I had not seen that previously. Things move at the speed of light here so I probably blinked and missed it. Thanks.
 
Last edited:
  • #31,029
Sheriff Nanos responds to me about the local Phoenix news report that sites an inside source who says investigators believe the Guthrie case was a burglary gone bad and that Nancy Guthrie is still alive."Did not come from us. No idea and even though that is one of many possibilities we would never speculate such a thing. We will let the evidence take us to motive."

Nanos really can’t stop talking, can he?
 
  • #31,030
true,

so what's the incentive from the "burglary" if it wasn't NG.

if they're stating it 'went wrong' that means NG wasn't supposed to be the target...? jmo

btw I thought I replied to a tweet that said ''believe she could be alive''

which extra doesn't make sense if burglary = not robbery but some other intended crime.
A+B=potatoe
 
  • #31,031
I had that same question earlier. I don’t get that.

1. Do they want perp to know they are close because they think perp will release her or give up? I’d normally think the opposite.

2. Pandering to the public?

3. Using it somehow with ransomers? Assuming separate?
#1
 
  • #31,032
I disagree.

Most of the most meticulous experienced criminals do far better than rank amateurs as with anything in life. There are still many unsolved cases with suspected professional criminals with extensive background and skill-sets (military, hacker, technical) that you can contrast to your bumbling meth head that gets nabbed early and often and does multiple bids at state pen.

But you have a very round-about way of discussing and qualifying your points. (Went from it's not his first rodeo, to well he's an amateur who was lucky, to all criminals including pros are lucky). It's ok.

What are some of these professional crimes you're referencing?
 
  • #31,033
  • #31,034
  • #31,035
Maybe she recognized them?

So they decide to murder her but think that by not having a body found, they can get away with it. Defense could tell jury there is no proof she is dead.

Extreme amateurs.

2 Cents Only
There is no proof she is alive either.
 
  • #31,036
My thing is even if robbery gone bad, as in she wakes up....why not just run out door and leave???? She's 84 and you have a gun. So "robbery gone bad" not making sense either.
Yep.
 
  • #31,037
But you have a very round-about way of discussing and qualifying your points. (Went from it's not his first rodeo, to well he's an amateur who was lucky, to all criminals including pros are lucky). It's ok.

I never said this criminal was an amateur who was lucky. You did. I've stated from the beginning that he is almost certainly seasoned and perhaps even professional. And then I said even professionals are lucky to have successes just by the nature of what they do and who comes looking for them. I don't see any inconsistencies with my assertions.

Most of the most meticulous experienced criminals do far better than rank amateurs as with anything in life. There are still many unsolved cases with suspected professional criminals with extensive background and skill-sets (military, hacker, technical) that you can contrast to your bumbling meth head that gets nabbed early and often and does multiple bids at state pen.

Exactly. Just as this one is thus far unresolved.

I'm curious - if your opinion is that this criminal is a bumbling meth head, what is your opinion of the army yet to catch him?

JMO.
 
  • #31,038
There is no proof she is alive either.

Right. No proof of life. Killers do get convicted of murder without the victim's body being found.

2 Cents
 
  • #31,039
The ongoing FBI search for kidnapped Nancy Guthrie, the mother of “Today” anchor Savannah Guthrie, evokes memories of the abduction of Vi Ripken in 2012. Like Guthrie, Ripken — mother of Orioles Hall of Famer Cal Ripken, Jr. — was taken from her home, in Aberdeen, the elderly mother of a well-known person.

On July 24, Vi Ripken, then 74, was forced at gunpoint from the garage of the family’s rancher in Harford County. She was blindfolded, bound in the back seat of her Lincoln Town Car and ferried around the Baltimore area for almost 24 hours. Ripken was released, unharmed, the next day; a neighbor found her, still bound, in her car, parked within sight of her home. Her kidnapper had disappeared and was never found.

The bizarre case baffled authorities and, despite a $100,000 reward posted by Ripken’s family, remains a mystery…

Vi Ripken died in 2021, never knowing closure.

“Whatever was on this person’s mind, I can just be thankful I wasn’t hurt,” she’d said. “The why and everything else, maybe, will come one day.”

 
  • #31,040
Is there still no clear answer as to whether any ransom has been paid?!
 

Guardians Monthly Goal

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
352
Guests online
2,778
Total visitors
3,130

Forum statistics

Threads
642,525
Messages
18,786,254
Members
244,963
Latest member
marstar
Back
Top