• #31,061
Passed away or subdued, carried out. Blood droplets all the way from front foot to car. Perfectly round droplets, not smeared, she did not walk out, her feet would have smeared the drops.
Just an idea

JMO
This is what has always tripped me up. No smear or drag marks is odd

moo
 
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… It could tell them if she was deceased during the intrusion or much later…and hopefully provide more on the COD.
Yes, if a body is recovered. Could that be a factor in how the investigation is playing out?
 
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a burglary gone wrong with a full backpack? where was he going to put the stuff he robbed? was there actually anything missing minus NG?

hard time believing this one, unfortunately.

would love to be wrong though.
So do they then believe the ransom notes to be phony? Or once they found out who she was, they decided to demand a ransom? 🧐

I’m thinking if in fact they believe it to be a burglary gone wrong, then the house was ransacked and there was evidence of her being grossly injured.

Still doesn’t make sense why they would take her with them.
 
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So, it is being reported this was a burglary gone wrong, so something occurs and in the heat of the moment the perp decides to bring Nancy with him:

Since her coming along wasn't planned where did he take her?He just happens to have a place to store 84 year old Nancy without anyone else in his life knowing? IF she is alive he has been taking relatively good care of her? I mean he must if she is still living in this scenario. Feeding her for the last two weeks. What about her meds they said she really needed? I mean does he leave her to go to work? I don't know. My mind is flooded with questions about how this would be carried out.

I pray and hope Nancy is still alive.

JMO
 
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Meanwhile any uninvolved person who recalls ever discarding a nitrile glove in the general vicinity ought to hurry forward to clear his name before he shows up on the FBI’s most wanted list! For whatever reason, discarding disposable gloves appears to be a common bad habit in Tucson.


“Retired NYPD Lt. Dr. Darrin Porcher called preliminary forensic results tied to a recovered glove “truly a breakthrough” in the Nancy Guthrie case, saying the DNA profile could move the investigation forward.

"It’s truly a breakthrough in the case. The DNA will go into the CODIS database, and I’m hopeful a match will occur. If unsuccessful, we can go the genealogical route to match secondary DNA through family members which was a success in the [Bryan] Kohberger case," Porcher said. "On another note, the private sector has the ability to create an image of a person based on DNA."
 
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To me, it looked like the backpack was still stuffed with the tissue/packing paper the manufacturer or distributor stuffs it with to demonstrate the bag’s large volume as it sits on Walmart’s shelf before purchase.
That is certainly possible, however in my opinion any items in the pack were put there after purchase.
 
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Replying to myself, there is at least a PIO role listed on the org chart (but not with a name). I couldn't find much more info out there, but maybe someone else can. Source: https://pimasheriff.org/application/files/2117/6462/2321/Organization_Chart_12_2025.pdf
JMHO, but I can't imagine a law enforcement agency not having a PIO. Even the smallest agencies in the Midwestern state I now live in have PIOs. One thing I've always said is that people think communications is easy...until they actually have to DO it. I'm grateful I was a reporter for as long as I was, because I can usually anticipate the questions I'll be asked. :) (edited - grammar!)
 
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Potentially unpopular hypothesis, but it is possible that no unknown DNA was found in the home and that law enforcement seeded that information to media outlets in order to stoke paranoia and an irrational response. Because paranoia certainly breeds irrational responses, and I imagine gets more criminals caught than DNA does.

It seems far more likely to me that if law enforcement found unknown DNA in or around the home that that isn't something they would want to disclose to anyone publicly. We know from reporting that they have digital sweepers on land and in the air, and are fiendishly monitoring cell and internet communications (think NSA) for a digital fingerprint, so I imagine they'd love a login or cell call to track right about now.

JMO.
That's a good point. I remember from reading true crime books years ago, there's actually a name for that LE strategy:

🌟🚨The Reid technique/False Evidence Ploy:

Put false lead or information out, then listen in on tapped phone for suspect to call another in alarm. Or make some kind of move.
 
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Can i just say that a man from his posture can very well be able to lift Nancy by himself.
Being strong doesn't mean being bulky or have the size of a giant.
Especially if you're running on adrenaline.
There are many examples of smaller looking dudes beating bulky ones in a strenght competition.
This could mean he acted alone.

JMO
Wouldn't it be more difficult to carry someone who was unconscious or deceased?
 
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Wouldn't it be more difficult to carry someone who was unconscious or deceased?
Depends on how long ago they became deceased.
 
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Pretty much nothing about this case makes sense to me. Why her, why take an old lady and nothing else, the weird, random, oddball "ransom" notes when kidnapping for ransom is super unusual here in the US in general...

I believe it is possible that some items were taken from her house. Possible there was robbery motivation.

Just like everyone else I just don't know.

2 Cents
 
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JMHO, but I can't imagine a law enforcement agency not having a PIO. Even the smallest agencies in the Midwestern state I now live in have PIOs. One thing I've always said is that people think communications is easy...until they actually have to DO it. I'm grateful I was a reporter for as long as I was, because I can usually anticipate the questions I'll be asked. :) (edited - grammar!)
I think Nanos wants to speak for himself. jmo
 
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Another reason why ground searches should have been done. I believe her body could have possibly been gotten rid of right after the crime 😭
 
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Wouldn't it be more difficult to carry someone who was unconscious or deceased?
I've seen some emergency responders carry people from the same family out of a burning house in my neighbourhood, they were unconscious.
That's why i believe it is possible there was only one guy who took Nancy, even if she already passed away.
JMO MOO
 
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The depth of her profound sadness is palpable right through the screen. Letting whoever did this know that redemption is theirs by doing the right thing.
She looks broken. I am so sorry for her. jmo
 

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