AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Batgirl77]

Weird. Have heard of burglaries gone wrong where the victim is killed at the home but not where the victim is taken from the home. That requires a lot of effort.

NG may have tried to save her own life telling the burglars she could get money from her family and/or her own accounts, if only they would keep her alive. Then opening the front door would become a NEW problem and the masked man discovered the Nest was still working.

I suspect they used back or sliding doors to gain entry as most thieves do.

 

[tricia]

I'm really curious as to how long the dealership had the RR in their inventory before selling it a few days ago.

Hey VegasGirl35
Can you please provide the link that states when the dealership sold the vehicle? Thank you.

 

[Turkeytrot]

This is pretty eye opening to listen to. Brian conducts an interview with Sargent Cross, he's a sargent and union president for the pima county sheriff's office.

At 37:25 Brian asks him if it's true that the homicide department is fairly inexperienced

Cross states that the homicide department has 96 detectives, and that 45 of them are "detective 1s", not sure what that equates to in months or years but they're newer to the homicide team.

Cross said he believes the most senior detective in the homicide department has been there 3 years. There are other detectives currently with homicide that have more experience overall, with other departments, but newer to homicide.

 

[jtfolden]

Nest cameras (battery or newer wired models) can record up to one hour of events locally if the Wi-Fi is disconnected, provided they still have power.

Since Nancy didn't have a subscription these recorded video events were not saved. Investigators gave FBI the digital evidence and the data was ultimately successfully recovered.

I’m not clear what point you are trying to make.

Nest doorbells can indeed store up to an hour of video locally but if they are disconnected from the service then it never gets uploaded. The doorbell was removed by the perp and has yet to be found.

The video footage of the perp from the doorbell was uploaded to Google’s servers before it was disconnected, which is where it was recovered from in the end. It was not recovered from the device itself.

Also, there’s no evidence the WiFi was disabled.

 

[GXP Sleuther]

jmo this was not a burglary gone bad.

 

[submarine7]

Does anybody think there's a reason that the videos put out by NGs family went from all 3 kids, where all contributed to just SG and done in a more intimate style..it makes me wonder why?

 

[yurintroubl]

Does anybody think there's a reason that the videos put out by NGs family went from all 3 kids, where all contributed to just SG and done in a more intimate style..it makes me wonder why?

I'm guessing because she is the best at speaking in front of a camera using a script?

 

[Cblewife]

Does anybody think there's a reason that the videos put out by NGs family went from all 3 kids, where all contributed to just SG and done in a more intimate style..it makes me wonder why?

JMO - If it were me and every eye blink, hand movement or non movement was scrutinized for something nefarious, I wouldn't want to be on camera either. SG is in her element in front of the camera, albeit not in this capacity, and has professional composure.

 

[TheDinks]

Who thinks someone in the family is responsible for what happened to Ms Guthrie ?

Hapless Lantana guy (+ possible accomplice) were hired to act like burglars and stage it ?

While I never wanted to believe this, it couldn't be ruled out... and was fueled when LE kept returning to TC/AG's property as well as door to door in their immediate neighbourhood

The whole home invasion gone wrong - taking Ms Guthrie - makes no sense. Although, tbf, nothing's made a shred of sense since day 1.

*edited to add... just putting a theory out, not saying it's what I do think occurred.

 

[Chelly]

Does anybody think there's a reason that the videos put out by NGs family went from all 3 kids, where all contributed to just SG and done in a more intimate style..it makes me wonder why?

SG's plea was indeed a highly intimate moment; a closeup between her and the person responsible. Adding more people to the frame would have reduced the strength of her words. imo

 

[Chelly]

Who thinks someone in the family is responsible for what happened to Ms Guthrie ?

Hapless Lantana guy (+ possible accomplice) were hired to act like burglars and stage it ?

While I never wanted to believe this, it couldn't be ruled out... and was fueled when LE kept returning to TC/AG's property as well as door to door in their immediate neighbourhood

The whole home invasion gone wrong - taking Ms Guthrie - makes no sense. Although, tbf, nothing's made a shred of sense since day 1.

I continue to think not a family member, but an associate of a family member, could likely be responsible for the crime. jmo.

 

[SlimPickens]

jmo this was not a burglary gone bad.

A burglary just means unlawful entry with an intention to commit a felony. Kidnapping is a felony, as is murder (if ultimately applicable here), so burglary would be an obvious precondition to committing this particular crime. I think law enforcement either just wanted to feed the media 'new' information that correspondents are perhaps too anxious/eager to scoop than to take time to parse, or it was intentionally phrased that way in case the perpetrator is 'legalese naive', watching the news, and is remorseful and/or looking for an excuse to mitigate his current predicament.

JMO.

 

[justpeachy22]

Do you think that Nancy left her house alive? Or did something happen during the kidnapping/robbery and she had a medical episode and passed within minutes?

I’m adding my opinion that Ive held from the beginning : that someone went to NG’s house that first night with the intent to kill her, which they did jmo. I don’t think this has anything to do with a robbery and I dont think it’s tied to a live kidnapping case either. No robber goes in to a house with a fully loaded backpack. A robber tends to carry one break in tool and an empty backpack to carry out the goods. And I’m not sure Ive heard of a robber (who wanted stolen goods) deciding it was better for him to take the person hostage or carry out the dead body from the house. The blood on the front porch tells me her serious injury happened on the front porch, (until we hear facts that there was a blood trail into the home). I think the stats say that most robberies occur during the daytime when people are not home sleeping. Who wanted NG dead is the question I’m still holding on to. The sideline circus of ransom notes is the second criminal case jmo, one that I am less interested in. Anxious for resolution for the family no matter what the true story is.

 

[SlimPickens]

This is an excellent interview about this case with Mary Ellen O'Toole, one of the pioneers of criminal profiling. Some of the questions aren't developed well by the interviewer (i.e. the pacemaker) but her analysis and profile are pretty compelling. JMO.

Source - WAVY TV10 News

 

[DancingMuse]

This is an excellent interview about this case with Mary Ellen O'Toole, one of the pioneers of criminal profiling. Some of the questions aren't developed well by the interviewer (i.e. the pacemaker) but her analysis and profile are pretty compelling. JMO.

Source - WAVY TV10 News

SlimPickens, Thank you for this.
She is superb.
Riveting.
Learned a lot, as..... she had slightly different takes on all the salient points brought up so far.
(MOO)

 

[mrjitty]

A few posters have noted that removal would be a very unusual staging in a burglary gone wrong scenario. While I agree, I think the issue with a probability analysis is if we are in a highly unusual factual situation then definitionally, all scenarios remaining will be statistically rare.

To illustrate, although it does not appear that there is specific Federal data on this, abduction of a wealthy person for ransom in the US is also exceptionally rare IMO.

 

[wtiger]

To my mind:

If this was a targeted kidnap of a wealthy person then it seems so unprofessional to have left blood,footage and to be conducting business via TMZ

if this was a burglary gone wrong - what use would an elderly woman be to you?

i cannot think of any scenario that makes sense other than a totally haphazard burglar perhaps panicking and doing something stupid here

very very few scenarios actually make any sense imho

 

[rebel123]

I'm not getting why the FBI need to announce that they are going to enter the DNA results into the DNA data base; just do it.

 

[rebel123]

To my mind:

If this was a targeted kidnap of a wealthy person then it seems so unprofessional to have left blood,footage and to be conducting business via TMZ

if this was a burglary gone wrong - what use would an elderly woman be to you?

i cannot think of any scenario that makes sense other than a totally haphazard burglar perhaps panicking and doing something stupid here

very very few scenarios actually make any sense imho

Yes, but this isn't just any 'elderly woman', the story has been 'magnified' because it isn't. Even when the first notification of the ransom notes took place tells us a lot, it took a number of days.

 

[tbgo]

DNA in the house may or may not solve this case. If this was in fact pulled off by a family member, their DNA would already be in the house and wouldn’t be deemed suspicious. How can they rule out other people who worked on the home? Yes, their DNA is accounted for but we don’t know that it wasn’t them in the video that night. They may have alibis but people lie for people all the time. Then there are items that could have been touched by someone outside of the home, a phone for example if she showed someone something on it, or her watch. If they find DNA in the home from someone no one knows and it shows up in a criminal database, great, but that still may not be the end of it if it’s touch DNA. This may take a really long time to weed through unless someone confesses, someone squeals, or a body is recovered. I can’t imagine having this go on for years. What a nightmare.