• #31,701
I think he'll have a rap sheet. He looks to me to be 30+ (IMO) and I think it'd be unusual for this to be his first crime. Especially with a weapon and gloves.
Time will tell.
 
  • #31,702
My two cents: This was not a burglary gone bad. The timing was well planned. Hands down, there was more than one perp and someone acquainted with her. EITHER: 1) Perpetrator/s were hoping to take her alive & keep her for ransom, but because she passed during it all, ransom attempt was slow to come; they knew they could not provide proof she was alive, but eventually thought worth the attempt/s. 2) It was a staged kidnapping by someone she knew – or of her. I hope they find her and find the evildoers.
 
  • #31,703
IMO - LE released them because they need to find Nancy and allowing them to go I’m sure with the most advanced spy tech ever created watching their every move they’ll eventually lead LE to her.
 
  • #31,704
The night she was taken was when she returned from her birthday celebration. It is a weird coincidence that a random kidnapper took her that same night. Highly unlikely that a random guy taking her for ransom or a burglar would have known it was her birthday. So was her disappearance that night just a coincidence or is there something darker here?
Yes, seems too much of a coincidence to me. They could have picked any day, but they didn’t. Another question I have, if AG and/or TC are not involved, why would LE return to their home and spend hours there? Same with their neighborhood searches?
 
  • #31,705
My two cents: This was not a burglary gone bad. The timing was well planned. Hands down, there was more than one perp and someone acquainted with her. EITHER: 1) Perpetrator/s were hoping to take her alive & keep her for ransom, but because she passed during it all, ransom attempt was slow to come; they knew they could not provide proof she was alive, but eventually thought worth the attempt/s. 2) It was a staged kidnapping by someone she knew – or of her. I hope they find her and find the evildoers.
#2
 
  • #31,706
What was happening in NG home during that 30 mins between the Nest doorbell footage and her pacemaker disconnecting? This seems quite a long time. Were they looking for something? Were they discussing what was happening with Nancy? Did she have time to get anything to take with her? (If so, you'd hope someone would've noticed this)
I'm just trying to imagine that scene - if NG was fast asleep, it would be terrifying - and might take a while to "come to" and realise it isn't a nightmare.
I believe they were waiting for their ride.
 
  • #31,707
As far as the ransom - they may not have known that she was the mother of Savannah Guthrie when they initially intended to and/or did burglarize her home but once they had taken her with them and the news went national they may have decided to write the ransom note for financial gain thus the delay.

The ransom author knew that Nancy's smart watch was at the foot of a bed.
And do we know that the watch is actually at the foot of the bed? This sounds like evidence but is it?

Even if so, there are other ways a false ransomer *could* have known where the watch was. He could have seen a police report, he could have been a worker in her bedroom before, he could be a bad cop lol etc.

I do not know obviously whether the note was really from someone involved, but I do think there could be other explanations re the watch statement.

IMO.
 
  • #31,708
Where is this image coming from? It is a range rover that was found/taken at Culvers restaurant. This is a land rover.
This came from a post by @UsernameRequired. It is post #28,442. The photos were taken by Fox News 10 at Culver’s. I have just pulled a copy of the second photo from this post which is a pullback showing the whole back of the vehicle. It is a Range Rover.
Never having had the opportunity to own a RR, I didn’t realize the vehicle also sports a Land Rover emblem? I apologize for any confusion.
 

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We don't know WHAT ELSE was in those ransom notes. Harvey Levin said they were articulate and well written. You don't think they are going to tip off an obsessed celebrity stalker by putting out a profile saying this is a love sick , possibly poetic, perp along with a bid for ransom? NO, just the ransom demand was made public. HL has refused to reveal the whole ransom note, publicly. IIRC, one began DEAR SAVANNA. That's a tip off right there.. Addressing her directly. NOT ONE "EXPERT" has posited my theory. Pay attention to what you DON'T hear in the MSM and from LE. JMO
And why send the ransom note to TMZ? TMZ is a tabloid that focuses on celebrity "news" and gossip. Wouldn't you expect a kidnapper-for-ransom to keep the communication between him and the person from whom he expects to collect the ransom quiet? Anyone even remotely familiar with TMZ knows that they don't do quiet. They do splashy headlines, and the more sensational the story, the better. It's as though he is seeking the media attention. MOO
 
  • #31,710
Photo from Fox News 10 shows what appears to be a paper plate which has been covered by LE on the night they towed it.
(Note: I see the vehicle is a Land Rover. I have referred to it as a Range Rover in a previous post.)
Where is this image coming from? It is a range rover that was found/taken at Culvers restaurant. This is a land rover.

It's a Land Rover - Range Rover. Literally.

Range Rover is the luxury version but they're built on the same architecture by the same company.
Both will break down repeatedly until you sell them, and after that they will break down repeatedly for the next owner.
 
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IMO I do not believe TC was involved.. I believe LD and many more will meet their fate and land in Prison. I also unfortunately don’t believe Nancy is still Alive… I believe SG was speaking to LD when she made her last video!
 
  • #31,713
Possible closed head injury, which isn't bloody outwardly, but caused a bloody nose? If she was bonked on the head causing brain swelling, she would not have survived more than a few hours without serious medical attention. JUST MY THOUGHTS
 
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This is exactly what happened in my opinion. There are several factors supporting that theory
NG was obviously injured in the home invasion (blood). If she did not survive the injury, no criminal mind would compute with moving her, but criminals do odd things.
 
  • #31,716
I think today we will get some answers from the FBI

I am very excited about the glove; I feel a game-changer in this case

The first thing they will do is compare it to the unknown DNA found inside Nancy's home

Second, if they need to will be Codis ( basically people who have been in trouble with the law in the past)

And then DNA Genealogy (combines DNA testing with traditional, document-based research to trace family history, confirm relationships)

The FBI will also be checking for DNA in Nancy's vehicle, which was taken away

So more than one sample to test one on one

I think the Sheriff and FBI already preliminary know, another reason why the statement was given out yesterday

The profile will be built, then the FBI will put it into Codis and law enforcement will take it from there
MOO, Memory only

Last night BE interviewed CeCe Moore, genetic genealogy expert. She thought LE are already tracing the DNA from RR vehicle through genetic genealogy.

One sample, straight STR, try to match in Codis. Results today.

One sample genealogy, takes longer, maybe a few days. Depends on ethnicity, some groups can be traced more quickly, if there are more (distant) family members in the data banks.

LE can, on a rare occasion, get a warrant for all data banks( even those normally blocked from LE).

Since it’s memory, only my opinion. Sorry no link RN
 
  • #31,717
I would think to do anything he would have had to remove the gloves. they were so big and cumbersome that even grabbing things would be difficult.
But he would know his DNA would be discovered then, correct? I only have gardening gloves, so I’m not familiar with that type of gloves.
 
  • #31,718
What do you all think will happen when they upload the DNA into CODIS? Do you think they will get a match or do you think this is the perps first time doing something like this and has never been arrested before?

I'm leaning toward--this perps first crime, he's not in CODIS and genetic genealogy is needed in this situation.

What are your thoughts?

BBM

the more that’s released about this case, the more I agree with the above.

This is very, very out there, but I have wondered if it’s some sort of BK copycat. Not necessarily trying to copy the crime, but maybe someone similar craving the attention and notoriety BK received. Similarly, this prep strikes me as someone who has studied crime and believes they can outsmart LE, but with no actual experience or street smarts.

I have hope he may have also ended up making a dumb mistake 🤞
 
  • #31,719
And do we know that the watch is actually at the foot of the bed? This sounds like evidence but is it?

Even if so, there are other ways a false ransomer *could* have known where the watch was. He could have seen a police report, he could have been a worker in her bedroom before, he could be a bad cop lol etc.

I do not know obviously whether the note was really from someone involved, but I do think there could be other explanations re the watch statement.

IMO.

That is from TMZ. Btw, I never expected that we would be citing TMZ as a source. 😂

However, they were sent the ransom note and additional notes. They have been in regular contact with LE because of that.
 
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