• #31,741
Arizona Sheriff Chris Nanos on Friday (February 13) defended his decision to send newly discovered evidence in the Nancy Guthrie abduction case to a private lab.

Even if I assume he did not do it to hip-check the FBI, I still think this was the wrong decision. When you have an abduction, you do everything you can to speed things up. He added at least 24 hours, possibly 48 to the test cycle by sending it to FL instead of Quantico. You don't burn hours like that when a life is at stake.
 
  • #31,742
Retired FBI agent urges rapid DNA testing in Guthrie case: 'You don’t wait for FedEx on Monday morning'


Oh good grief, retired agent. I'm sure LE has someone (s) literally in a hotel right by the lab on standby to fly the results back. I highly doubt the results are coming through the mail. AND he knows this. IMO

Expert weighs in after search warrant executed in Nancy Guthrie disappearance | Fox News

"Here’s the question. Do they wait until Monday to commercially ship it to a private lab? In past high-profile cases, I’ve seen FBI aircraft used to immediately shuttle evidence to the FBI Laboratory at Quantico," he said.

"That eliminates days of waiting. In a case involving a vulnerable 84-year-old woman who is without her heart medication, where every hour matters, you don’t wait for FedEx on Monday morning."
 
  • #31,743
Do we know around when they expect the dna results from the glove?
 
  • #31,744
If she was deceased in her home, what would be the reason to take her away? Seems more of a risk.
There is no reason to take her away if she was deceased. If she was still alive, then it was the only option, if she knew who he was.
 
  • #31,745
If this was a burglary gone wrong - burglary with gun?? Burglary went wrong, so you take the 84 y old homeowner with you?? You are trying the remove the bell cam in case the burglary goes wrong?? -, I am wondering whether they had the wrong address then.. (insert eyes rolling here)

ALL IMO

Cheers,
Nin
The “burglary gone wrong” theory is popular, even amoungst people like Joseph Scott Morgan, other experts. I consider all ideas, brainstorming, but every theory has some holes.

Perhaps the burglar, intending to rob, realized it was SG’s daughter part way thru the robbery.
They thought maybe SG has some connections, they could get caught, so took NG. Just a thought.

I’m so sorry, I can hardly imagine what NG went through, don’t know if she could still be alive, after all this.

Ransom notes are from opportunists( my thought).
Although one did mention watch at foot of bed, unusual location, so maybe the real kidnapper.

Just my opinion, back and forth on theories.
 
  • #31,746
There is no reason to take her away if she was deceased. If she was still alive, then it was the only option, if she knew who he was.
There absolutely is reason to take her away if deceased, if there is physical evidence of the perpetrator on her body, for example.

MOO
 
  • #31,747
I agree with you; I don't think his DNA is in CODIS. I am more interested in if his DNA matches and DNA that may have been found in NG's house. As far as I know, and correct me if I am wrong, we haven't heard about any DNA found in the house. As @Napoli said in another post, notice what authorities are NOT saying.

Yes I’ll admit I’m feeling skeptical. I have to wonder why greater urgency and significance isn’t placed on testing the DNA found inside the house as opposed to that of a glove tossed two miles away from the home. How can they possibly rule out anyone while it’s being collected, before it’s tested?
JMO


“DNA evidence not belonging to Nancy Guthrie or her "close contacts" was found at her home, police say.

"DNA other than Nancy Guthrie’s and those in close contact to her has been collected from the property," the Pima County Sheriff's Department (PSCD) said in a statement to PEOPLE on Friday, Feb. 13. "Investigators are working to identify who it belongs to. We are not disclosing where that DNA was located."
 
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And why send the ransom note to TMZ? TMZ is a tabloid that focuses on celebrity "news" and gossip. Wouldn't you expect a kidnapper-for-ransom to keep the communication between him and the person from whom he expects to collect the ransom quiet? Anyone even remotely familiar with TMZ knows that they don't do quiet. They do splashy headlines, and the more sensational the story, the better. It's as though he is seeking the media attention. MOO
BECAUSE it is a celebrity based tabloid type outlet. This fits perfectly with my theory that the perp is a celebrity stalker who has a delusional relationship with SG. Secondly, stalker, I am sure, has never been answered or adequately responded to, for any communication he may have had with SG on an Instagram page or NBC fan page. SO, he went to a celebrity site to get attention. As a backup, he went to local news outs. He received the coverage he craved. Perfectly executed Publicity. IMO
 
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Subject’s right jackets pocket showing a bulk. Tool or Walkie Talkie, as mentioned before by a poster:
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Subject also seem to either have a belly, or he was layered up? If it’s a belly, he is not worried showing it. He is layered up in case of a fight?
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Images from FBI video:

ALL IMO

Cheers,
Nin
 
  • #31,750
Regarding Lantana Man (man outside NG’s front door): Can someone venture some theories about the gun? Do burglars breaking into a home usually carry deadly weapons? His weapon was in a holster that wasn’t made for that particular gun, and it was positioned uh, unconventionally, IMO.

He seemed more preoccupied with being undetected and less preoccupied with stealing property, IMO. If I’m not mistaken, armed robbery or armed kidnapping carries a much different sentence than breaking and entering. IMO. JMO.
Here they discuss the gun part a bit, also saying he is left handed.

 
  • #31,751
There absolutely is reason to take her away if deceased, if there is physical evidence of the perpetrator on her body, for example.

MOO
Good point.
 
  • #31,752
Because she very likely could identify him.
If she recognized him and he killed her no need to move her from house,I think ransom as attention to sg , she speaks to camera as is she knows who it is and wants her mom's body back,the "never to late"quote
 
  • #31,753
Interesting.
I wonder about the sliding doors on the end of the house. The opposite end of from the garage there is sliding door and a small patio.
This is a copy of a photo from MSN.com which shows the area you are describing.
 

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There absolutely is reason to take her away if deceased, if there is physical evidence of the perpetrator on her body, for example.

MOO
Or "in" her body, I hate to say. I think we need to put our evil or psychopathic hats on to understand this crime.
 
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Just my opinion, but what kind of a kidnapper snatches somebody and doesn't make verifiable contact within 2 weeks?

I don't think it was a robbery gone wrong either. Nothing missing from the house.

Snatch & grab to hurt SG starting to make more and more sense instead of the other theories out there.
We don’t really know if anything was taken from the house… only LE & family does. IMO
Just my opinion, but what kind of a kidnapper snatches somebody and doesn't make verifiable contact within 2 weeks?

I don't think it was a robbery gone wrong either. Nothing missing from the house.

Snatch & grab to hurt SG starting to make more and more sense instead of the other theories out there.
 
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I would think to do anything he would have had to remove the gloves. they were so big and cumbersome that even grabbing things would be difficult.
If he had to take off his gloves, why did he not stuff them in his backpack? He left them conveniently for authorities to find? I hope the glove is not a red herring planted after the crime scene was released back to the family and we don’t know who all had access to the house after that. Friends and family for sure.
 
  • #31,757
I don’t think she left her house alive, but I don’t understand the reasoning for removing her. Ransom? Maybe it’s connected, but I go back and forth on it.

BECAUSE it is a celebrity based tabloid type outlet. This fits perfectly with my theory that the perp is a celebrity stalker who has a delusional relationship with SG. Secondly, stalker, I am sure, has never been answered or adequately responded to, for any communication he may have had with SG on an Instagram page or NBC fan page. SO, he went to a celebrity site to get attention. As a backup, he went to local news outs. He received the coverage he craved. Perfectly executed Publicity. IMO
Perp got coverage for Culver's and Door Dash too.
 
  • #31,758
I don't think any of the ransom demands are from the kidnapper; I think they are the work of opportunists. A genuine ransom demand would have come in immediately, not hours or days later.

If the FBI is involved - as many suspect they are - with SG releasing these videos and curating them or writing the scripts, there must be something credible enough in the ransom letters to make law enforcement take this angle so seriously 2 weeks on.
 
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If she recognized him and he killed her no need to move her from house,I think ransom as attention to sg , she speaks to camera as is she knows who it is and wants her mom's body back,the "never to late"quote
Judging by the over all incompetence of the crime scene and his actions, I speculate that if he killed her, he took off and didn't look back. But, if he did kill her, it was not intentional. I do not believe he killed her though.
 

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