• #32,141
Totally agree with this. Removing the victim would point a relationship between the victim & assailant. Much like placing a blanket over the face of the victim.
Good observation.
 
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and the pain in SG face is heartbreaking when she does a new video
I agree. Cannot begin to fathom how SG and her sibs, NG's close friends and NG's grandchildren are coping with their beloved person having gone through and in the midst of this situation. Heartbreaking. JMO
 
  • #32,143
According to the latest "reward request" note they may have




Probably not through a major entry like Nogales, but thousands of Americans go back and forth every day across the border. For some it's just a daily commute, including non-Latino US citizens. Just for example:


Thousands of Americans, including residents, workers, and tourists, cross through the Nogales, Arizona ports of entry into Mexico daily for shopping, dental care, and business.

The area is a major international gateway, with pedestrian and vehicle traffic heavily integrated between Nogales, Arizona, and Nogales, Sonora.
Ok, I have to assume LE has been looking through the Nogales border camera feed for the entire two weeks, in case the perps did go to Mexico, took NG. ( I doubt they took NG there). JMO

I think the perps might have gone to Mexico, but I seriously doubt they had NG in the car( unless back seat lying down, blanket or trunk. ) Taking NG across the border seems too risky, and why care for an older woman in Mexico? Do they expect to set up an ongoing payment arrangement? SG is the cash cow, extending out a supposed kidnapping. Very unlikely they have NG in Mexico.
Since no proof of life, very unlikely the ransom or tip info is real, JMO.

Anyway, I’m glad there is continuing communication from someone who thinks he knows something, maybe it will help solve this mystery!

All JMO
 
  • #32,144
Lots of time and manpower spent on this case! I know, I know very obvious. Just saying…
I’m all for it, just adding it up, blown away!

I’d like to know what it costs all together, when the case is solved. AZ county, FBI, private experts, plus numerous people had to miss work ( SG, family, people who were investigated)
Much, much more. Experts who work on these cases are not cheap, but vital to the mission.

List of significant LE action to solve crime:
1. Reviving a non subscription camera feed( very time consuming). Cloud, lots of proprietary coding, several entities involved.
2. An army of FBI, including swat, doing raids, multiple interviews with detectives.
3. Searching Walmart camera feed to find perp images. Searching disguise clothing, gear, tools.
4. Ground searches, detectives and dogs, air flyover searches, body heat searches, pacemaker searches. Geofence phone searches. Tech searches of computers, home equipment. Searches of multiple homes.
5. Paragon genetic genealogy lab, getting close “ matches” distant relatives, doing family trees, a lot of expert time. Then when down to 2-3 people, long interviews, alibis etc.
6. Loads of very smart, very talented investigators, scientists, hoping for a break soon.

It just irks me that we taxpayers foot the bill for these investigations of creeps, and then keeping the preps safely in prison for life, meanwhile poor NG was taken against her will, she did not deserve that!

All JMO
Just my opinion, you are right, I to wonder how much. I can't find the link, but SG made some calls and got the troops to come in. President Trump said he would help by sending as many fbi's as possible from all around the country. I'm almost positive this family has put up a lot of money themselves. It's their mom. Jmo
 
  • #32,145
Since everyone is noticing the movie quotes from the videos...

"Do the next right thing" is both a quote and climactic song from Frozen 2
if BLockbuster were still a thing, I’d be beginning to think this person works at one.
 
  • #32,146
Most people NG's age living alone would presumably have an emergency necklace or something that they can press at any time to call 911. I think it is to ensure they can get help if they have a fall or a medical emergency. How could an unknown intruder know if she had this or not? Only an insider would know this (that she didn't have one). I am leaning towards someone in her inner circle hiring a kidnapper or hitman off the dark web and that is the perp caught on camera. Maybe they even used bitcoin as payment. MOO.
 
  • #32,147
This is reminding me of the warring factions in the JonBenet Ramsey investigation.
I was living by Boulder at the time of JBR and knew LE on the case. I have my very strong opinions on all but this case, oddly enough, has some similiar factors in many ways. I do think they will be able to solve this case in time, tho. I hope they do! I wish all cases were solved! Thanks to all those who serve us!
 
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So, I don't think it's necessarily productive to stir up or stoke the "Sheriff v feds" drama. That stuff is better hashed out after Nancy is found and the perp(s) have been arrested. But there was one thing from the Brian Entin video today that didn't quite make sense to me, and I'm wondering if anyone else can help me understand. From this part here (direct link to timestamp 31:41):


CeCe Moore says (pasted from YouTube's auto-generated transcript, with two minor spelling corrections by me, so it may not be perfect):

But I don't really care as long as somebody skilled is doing it and they they did not make a mistake in my opinion sending that to DNA Labs International. They can bring in the FBI genetic genealogy team too. If it ends up being a really difficult case, just like they did in the Kohberger case, right? It was started at a private lab. it was transferred to the FBI investigative genetic genealogy team and they were the ones who made that identification of Bryan and that could happen in this case too.

If she is saying that the FBI team can do stuff that the private lab can't, it doesn't make sense to me why it would then be "not a mistake" to send it to the private lab first. Isn't this potentially introducing delay, in a case in which time is clearly of the essence? Am I missing something here, or misunderstanding? I just don't get how this expert is both saying that it's fine to send it to a private lab, and that the FBI can do more than the private lab, so you could send it there later. I feel like there must be some key piece of information I am missing.

I get that if it isn't an urgent case, it can make sense to let one lab give it a shot and escalate only if they need help, but that doesn't seem like the situation we're in here.

Can someone help me understand this?
 
  • #32,150
That is what I am assuming they appear bulkier than nitrile gloves and much more sturdy than latex. Where does it say they were disposable nitrile gloves? They appeared to be the thicker bulky not disposable ones.

Ask the FBI they said they were different than the searchers which would be latex or nitrile?

The bulky black ones used in agriculture or the butyl rubber ones used for chemicals or handling things in cold storage, and used commonly in cold weather applications when working on equipment which was my first thought and are not disposable.

Seems a clue to me but ok they are on it and don't need us!

I am familiar with gloves in stores I was looking for a link that described the gloves in question.


all imo
I wear gloves frequently on a daily basis. Most disposable gloves are nitrile due to latex allergies. They make gloves with different thicknesses so the gloves may look bulkier because they are thicker quality or they have on multiple layers/poorly sized gloves. I remembered during the beginning of Covid nobody really knew what was going on, there were times I wore two layers of gloves and they were tight. JMO the guy probably has multiple layers of gloves on.
 
  • #32,151
That is what I am assuming they appear bulkier than nitrile gloves and much more sturdy than latex. Where does it say they were disposable nitrile gloves? They appeared to be the thicker bulky not disposable ones.

Ask the FBI they said they were different than the searchers which would be latex or nitrile?

The bulky black ones used in agriculture or the butyl rubber ones used for chemicals or handling things in cold storage, and used commonly in cold weather applications when working on equipment which was my first thought and are not disposable.

Seems a clue to me but ok they are on it and don't need us!

I am familiar with gloves in stores I was looking for a link that described the gloves in question.


all imo

edit to add sample non disposable from Walmart [!] but not what I would call commonly used like a latex, imo
Libman Black Industrial Grade Rubber Blended Reusable Gloves - Walmart.com
View attachment 645614
I agree, the gloves worn by Lantana Man look bulky and not disposable.
What occupation uses these kind of gloves and bite lights?
 
  • #32,152
It makes me wonder if there's negotiations going on behind the scenes and the movie quotes are coded language for "we're getting the money together" or something like that. Maybe Savannah is going to pay the 6 mil but has to liquidate some assets first.
It tells me the person might live vicariously through movies, TV etc. Also, says why he sends emails to TMZ. JMO
 
  • #32,153
Yep, think how brilliant it will be if cops already did a DNA sweep of the car, right? They have that DNA of "those" people. Now lets say those people aren't in Codis, but now those people are on black glove. Bingo.
Think it's quite probable, actually! IMO
 
  • #32,154
I've been wondering the same thing: How long is the media going to continue covering this story? Until there's a resolution? Or, until there's another major breaking news story that usurps coverage of Nancy Guthrie's disappearance?
I think you are right...another breaking news story will send some out of Tucson.
 
  • #32,155
Or, it's just general sentences that happen to be also used in movies.
JMO
None of it sounds odd or coded to me. It’s the kind of language that people who truly believe in forgiveness and that all people are inherently ‘good’ use.
 
  • #32,156
Unless they are negotiating secretly behind the scenes, I don't think this feels at all like a kidnapping for ransom. You don't want someone for 3 weeks, especially an elderly person with health issues. This feels like a famous/rich person went missing and con artists are taking their shot at money. I don't think any actual communication from the individual in the video has occurred. My thought, terrible as it is, is that this is a serial offender and had nothing to do with who her family was. This feels like a bad situation and I feel what happened has already happened within a few hours of her being taken. I hope I'm wrong and someone returns her safely. But this just doesn't feel like a sophisticated kidnapping for money.
I agree. If it was a sophisticated kidnapping for money they would have taken SG's sister, not the elderly, immobile Mom.
 
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Most people NG's age living alone would presumably have an emergency necklace or something that they can press at any time to call 911. I think it is to ensure they can get help if they have a fall or a medical emergency. How could an unknown intruder know if she had this or not? Only an insider would know this (that she didn't have one). I am leaning towards someone in her inner circle hiring a kidnapper or hitman off the dark web and that is the perp caught on camera. Maybe they even used bitcoin as payment. MOO.
Well I'd be surprised if this was a random perp.
Not impossible, but it feels like someone had put some thought into this crime !

Here we are and still no Nancy and no answers, outside of the dna sent to FL. (& what the heck was that all about ? No one else closer and qualified ?)
Imo.
 
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