AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[BrittMontero]

It's hard to know where unknown DNA would come from in the house without knowing what the crime scene looked like. Let's say this doorbell guy wasn't the one who actually entered the home. We'd have no idea what the other perp who did enter the home was wearing, if they got scratched or otherwise injured during a struggle, etc

Jmo

Yes.

But I am also thinking of how many persons' DNA could be in my house, just under ordinary circumstances. Even if they tested routine service providers, friends and family, there is still probably plenty of DNA here from delivery drivers, handymen my family doesn't know I employed, recently purchased groceries and merchandise, etc.

 

[cady]

There is seemingly DNA found that's not related to any glove. Whether it was found in the house or somewhere else on NG's property is unclear. But I believe it was collected early on in the investigation so has likely already been processed already

Must have been because they said it is male. jmo

 

[UsernameRequired]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2023804239315955955

Wow. Shocked but not shocked.

 

[BrittMontero]

I believe, imo, someone with USBP K9 unit handler took the shirt off and unintentionally left it there.

That's what I thought from the get-go. Either a service worker (landscaper, etc) or LE got warm, took off the shirt (perhaps having a long-sleeved T under it) and just forgot to pick it up. It never seemed like much of a clue.

 

[SaraSmile]

Forgive me if I am not up to speed but how on earth do they find 'unknown' DNA in a large house like that?

I guess if there were bodily fluids left in the bathroom, it would be spotted and tested. But elsewhere - a hair? A used tissue? A used glass or cup? Surely they aren't just swabbing random surfaces? That would be like finding a needle in a haystack. It's hard to imagine that a fully-dressed, possibly masked intruder would leave much of anything behind, let alone leave behind something that could be noticed, tested and identified.

I’m not positive, I thought it was Unknown DNA found in bedroom. Anyone remember where inside it was found?
JMO

 

[SMK777]

If this has been discussed earlier, I'm really trying to keep up.

QUESTION - How can LE detect DNA on the gloves IF you and I already tried them on in the store? It will be a mixed result.

I hadn't thought about that aspect and don't know what the answer is.

 

[Gunther Toody]

All missing persons cases have two parallel investigations going on at the same time. One is the search for the MP. The second is to determine the reason why the person is missing and to use that information to locate her.
In this case it was determined early on that Nancy likely did not leave voluntarily or wander off due to a medical condition. The evidence suggested she was taken from her home by an unknown person. If you find the person or persons who took her, you are a step closer to finding her.

Ordinarily I agree, but in this case where a medically fragile 84 year old is the victim, preservation of life comes first, as we've agreed upon.

I posted earlier that even when DNA is matched, it will lead to a name...a person of interest. It will not necessarily lead to the person, and when it finally does, there must be an investigation, evidence gathering, and approaching a judge for a search warrant...all of which takes time and is counterproductive to preservation of life.

This case clearly has a time limit, and personally I think it's passed.

 

[VegasGirl35]

So again, why risk taking a human being out of her home? There is zero to be gained and a lot to be risked.

I've replayed every possible scenario, trying to make a believable narrative. The only thing I can come up with is this: the crime was a kidnapping for ransom. Nancy was alive when she was taken from the house but died within the first few days of captivity. The kidnappers decided to take a stab at getting the money by sending that first note, but abandoned the idea after realizing the family wouldn't pay without POL. They disposed of the body and are in the wind. They could be halfway to Brazil by now for all we know.

 

[SaraSmile]

This is why (aside from compassion for the Guthrie family) this case has fascinated me. Nothing makes sense, just as in the JonBenet scenario.

If she was kidnpapped for ransom, why are the ransom demands so disorganized and haphazard? Why TMZ? Why no proof of life? No money-motivated kidnapper wants to hold onto a hostage for 2.5 weeks. Or even 2.5 days.

If this was a burglary, bungled kidnapping or other crime, and NG died of fright, mistreatment or medical issues, why take her body? Yes, there might be clues on the body, but surely the perp would rather the POSSIBILITY of the body being incriminating than the CERTAINTY of being incriminated by being caught with a body, or caught hiding a body, or traced to an eventual burial site? Odds for the perpetrator are FAR better by leaving her behind rather than taking her along ill or deceased.

Even if she could "identify" a former tradesperson, delivery person, worker or other stranger who was in her home previously, again, that is a far lower risk than becoming a kidnapper/moving deceased remains. A good lawyer could make absolute mincemeat out of any "identification" made by a medicated person at 2am in the dark while startled/fearful/confused/injured.

So again, why risk taking a human being out of her home? There is zero to be gained and a lot to be risked.

It's the inverse of JonBenet, where we had a body AND a ransom note, makes no sense. Here we have NO body and NO (credible, I think the TMZ correspondence is BS) ransom demand. Makes no sense.

My opinion, ransom people are not involved, I could be wrong.

JMO

 

[UsernameRequired]

Trying to catch up this morning.. so Sheriff Nanos is now stating the Guthrie family was "cleared" the first few days?

https://twitter.com/x/status/2023771148559995307

Yet, how many times did he say the Guthrie family was NOT cleared? His own words, "nobody is cleared"... This interview with Sheriff Nanos was Feb. 13th

https://twitter.com/x/status/2022445062190457202

 

[SRWCF]

BBM from above

"With a loved one on hospice, he must have long ago mourned the loss of his brother. It's called anticipatory grief."

There is not a set amount of grief that individuals feel. Yes there is grief before the death but there is also enormous grief after the loss/ death with the finality of it all. Everyone experiences death in different ways so to make assumptions is difficult at best.

Anticipatory Grief and Grief after Loss - are two separate processes.

The sheriff deserves Grace and condolences.

JMO

You misunderstood my post. I very much was giving the sheriff a pass for going to the basketball game.

 

[LarryLujack]

Nancy Guthrie case; Milwaukee attorney offers $100K reward

 

[steff13]

Or, he could have punched her in the nose if she attempted to scream once she realized that he was taking her away. Blood droplets are consistent with passive bleeding, like a nosebleed. Just my opinion, of course.

It does not seem logical to me that he would try to still remove her if she was deceased.

If ransom was the objective, I think he would remove her regardless of whether she was dead. If the objective was to extort money from the family, that would presumably remain the objective even if she died accidentally in the home.

 

[VegasGirl35]

I wonder if the Guthrie family lawyers have had a pointed word with him? While I agree some of the baseless accusations thrown at the family are unfair, clearing them after several days seems premature. Yeah, that's great they were cooperative but several days doesn't seem like enough time to test and sift through all that evidence. If I were running the show my policy would be that no one is cleared until there's an arrest.

 

[Trino]

Good morning,
What I keep hanging up on is, if it's not a kidnapping for money, exactly what kind of serial offender is it? LE says it is not a robbery gone wrong, and it doesn't feel like a home invasion because there doesn't appear to be any forced entry. I can't figure it out. Gah!

Apparently, the sheriff and FBI can't figure it out either.

 

[thefragile7393]

Wow. Shocked but not shocked.

 

[thefragile7393]

Trying to catch up this morning.. so Sheriff Nanos is now stating the Guthrie family was "cleared" the first few days?

https://twitter.com/x/status/2023771148559995307

Yet, how many times did he say the Guthrie family was NOT cleared? His own words, "nobody is cleared"... This interview with Sheriff Nanos was Feb. 13th

https://twitter.com/x/status/2022445062190457202

I’m so confused are they cleared or not? Btw Brianna Whitney is pretty respected here locally so I’m very confused

 

[Hans Olo]

This is so helpful.

I’m so confused are they cleared or not? Btw Brianna Whitney is pretty respected here locally so I’m very confused

That was a tweet from 4 days ago.

The family has been cleared since.

 

[Sarahlou]

I’m so confused are they cleared or not? Btw Brianna Whitney is pretty respected here locally so I’m very confused

Yes they are cleared.

 

[SaraSmile]

I hadn't thought about that aspect and don't know what the answer is.

JMO, re outside gloves

I think they are “single” use nitrile gloves, no one tries on ahead in store, bought in boxes with several inside. Very stretchy, so they fit snugly when on.

If you are talking about the bulky, under gloves, not sure what type, if people try on in store.

These are not like buying leather Carhartt or Ugg gloves, $80-100, so the person wants the right size, fit, will wear a lot, keep a while.

JMO