AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[MyJoey]

They look the same to me. I think it is just because the picture of him without the backpack is cropped more making it less clear and more distorted.

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https://twitter.com/x/status/2021285842044494279

I think it’s the same guy but on different nights, JMO.

 

[UsernameRequired]

That's because they have no local storage and any video recoved is not magically done with forensics... Either Google has a backup of the video on their servers or they don't. At most they would need to find and decompress the video. The other possibility is that the cameras just don't work. Anyone with video cameras in a hot climate can tell you that the summer heat can cause them to stop functioning altogether.

Yes, but Google wasn't positive they would be able to recover any images or video from the doorbell Nest camera either, but they did. Hoping for another miracle.

 

[SRWCF]

I think it’s the same guy but on different nights, JMO.

That is interesting and very possibile.

 

[maamager]

Yes, but Google wasn't positive they would be able to recover any images or video from the doorbell Nest camera either, but they did. Hoping for another miracle.

as per cnn, they’re doing just that. they used a term that’s basically “scraping the layers” to retrieve the data. imo they’re using specific language because google is inundated with lawsuits regarding customer privacy, so they don’t want to outright say that they have data that’s not kosher

but that’s speculation in my part (though partially emboldened by cnn’s current reporting with the google/nest rep)

 

[SlimPickens]

I think it’s the same guy but on different nights, JMO.

Say, January 11th?

 

[Han]

Anybody remember hearing years ago? Watch what you put on the Internet. It’s never gone.

That’s been true of photographs placed on the Internet, believed deleted still retrievable (by someone who knows where and how to look). So maybe also true of this video they’re searching for.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

Man offering additional $100,000 reward for information in Nancy Guthrie case​

(CNN) - A Milwaukee attorney is putting up his own money for information on Nancy Guthrie’s kidnappers.

Michael Hupy, an attorney and president of Milwaukee Crime Stoppers, is offering an additional $100,000 reward in the case.

More than 18,000 tips have been called in to the FBI during the Nancy Guthrie investigation.

The $100,000 reward is being offered for information that leads to the arrest of whoever kidnapped her.

Man offering additional $100,000 reward for information in Nancy Guthrie case

More than 18,000 tips have been called in to the FBI during the Nancy Guthrie investigation.

www.kctv5.com

 

[Monepone]

as per cnn, they’re doing just that. they used a term that’s basically “scraping the layers” to retrieve the data. imo they’re using specific language because google is in lawsuits about customer privacy and don’t want to outright say that they have data that’s not kosher but that’s speculation in my part (though partially emboldened by cnn’s current reporting with the google rep)

100% agree. IMO Google likely doesn't want to admit they are retaining video far longer than their policies/agreements state they are. Thus the claim that the video was recovered through some kind of elaborate forensics process.

 

[penguinface]

The shoes are so clearly different though. There are no black marks on the lantana man’s shoes visible throughout the entire video. And the man without the backpack has black markings on his shoes. I think it is either two different people or the same man on a different night. I lean towards two people though IMO

Might sound dumb but I think it might be socks or toed slippers at first, when he knows he’s going to be going indoors, so as not to leave shoeprints, then when he goes back to get the camera, after Nancy has been taken out of the house and he’s ready to drive away, maybe after something has gone wrong and he’s not so cautious, from the panic, he’s got his shoes back on. Not 100% where my mind’s at, but think it’s at least a possibility.

JMO.

 

[Fargo]

I think it’s the same guy but on different nights, JMO.

I think NG would have mentioned seeing that on her camera if he was there before. Maybe she did but I haven't seen anything about that happening. IMO

 

[MyJoey]

That is interesting and very possibile.

Residents near Nancy Guthrie’s home asked to check security video from 2 dates

Residents who live near Nancy Guthrie’s home in Tucson are being asked to check security footage from two specific days in January.

www.whsv.com

Found it interesting they were asking neighbors for ring app footage for Jan 11 and Jan 31…… that’s why I think it’s the same guy, different nights.

 

[maamager]

100% agree. IMO Google likely doesn't want to admit they are retaining video far longer than their policies/agreements state they are. Thus the claim that the video was recovered through some kind of elaborate forensics process.

yes!! call it hopeium on my part, but i think they have a decent to strong lead or visual and are trying to nail this at every angle.

we’ve seen more “impossible” data be suddenly retrieved by google many times. all hail the cloud ~

here is my original post source for any curious —

Google trying to recover more footage from Nancy Guthrie home surveillance cameras, NBC reports​

 

[m00c0w]

I thought it was established that the FBI (stupidly and amateurishly IMO) released AI generated images of the perp without the backpack to make his height more discernable and in the process inadvertently altered other aspects of the photos.

Not at all. You got a source for such a large claim?

 

[Ghostwheel]

Sure I understand that. Just like I understand they have to test every disposable glove they find on miles of roadside even though chances are they are not linked at all. Both are stretches. But again, what purchases are they tying? Leads? Walmart universal pistol holsters? They don't even sell those in that color and the details of that holster is different. That universal nylon holster seen in the dark IR lit Nest footage can be over of dozens of models produced by multiple companies over decades. Looked like a yard sale holster to me. So they are tracking down guestimates at best.

I am curious, what color do you believe that holster to be? I had seen this one (which does sell from Walmart), which was made of black polyester and polyester lights up like it's electrified under IR light (white). The strap and shape also fit within the style. I'd like to know what details you see to be different, just for my own knowledge base and to search around. I don't find others like this one, though I am sure ebay has them. ( I don't buy cheap holsters, so have no frame of reference).

Strategy Brand Large Frame Polyester Revolver Holster. Fits 4 - 6.5 in Barrel, Right Dexterity - Walmart.com

Buy Strategy Brand Large Frame Polyester Revolver Holster. Fits 4 - 6.5 in Barrel, Right Dexterity at Walmart.com

www.walmart.com

 

[Monepone]

Yes, but Google wasn't positive they would be able to recover any images or video from the doorbell Nest camera either, but they did. Hoping for another miracle.

I'm positive they are just attempting to cover their asses legally with that explanation. It doesn't pass the smell test IMO.

 

[MyJoey]

I think NG would have mentioned seeing that on her camera if he was there before. Maybe she did but I haven't seen anything about that happening. IMO

JMO maybe she didn’t look? If it was the middle of the night, footage was gone when she got up.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Looks like a Walkie talkie to me.

Interesting. It did not look thick enough for a walkie to me, and I did not see an antenna or buttons, but it was such a quick look and pretty bad quality. I'll put that on my list of possibilities.

 

[Monepone]

I am curious, what color do you believe that holster to be? I had seen this one (which does sell from Walmart), which was made of black polyester and polyester lights up like it's electrified under IR light (white). The strap and shape also fit within the style. I'd like to know what details you see to be different, just for my own knowledge base and to search around. I don't find others like this one, though I am sure ebay has them. ( I don't buy cheap holsters, so have no frame of reference).

Strategy Brand Large Frame Polyester Revolver Holster. Fits 4 - 6.5 in Barrel, Right Dexterity - Walmart.com

Buy Strategy Brand Large Frame Polyester Revolver Holster. Fits 4 - 6.5 in Barrel, Right Dexterity at Walmart.com

www.walmart.com

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In IR the black neoprene will show up much lighter (white) compared to the stitching. Many pigments that are "black" in the visible spectrum become transparent or highly reflective in the near-infrared range (700nm to 1100nm)

Measured Wavelength-Dependent Absorption Enhancement of Internally Mixed Black Carbon with Absorbing and Non-absorbing Materials - PMC

Optical absorption spectra of laboratory generated aerosols consisting of black carbon (BC) internally mixed with non-absorbing materials (ammonium sulfate, AS, and sodium chloride, NaCl) and BC with a weakly absorbing brown carbon surrogate derived ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

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Brian Entin just posted his daily video (30 mins long)

ON THE SCENE: Sheriff waiting on Google for more footage in Nancy Guthrie case, plus DNA setback​

 

[Ghostwheel]

In IR the neoprene will show up much lighter (white) compared to the stitching.

Not in my experience, but yours may be different. Nylon and polyester are bright (look whitish) under IR, even if they are black in color. Neoprene mostly absorbs the light in my experience. That is why the Walmart holster made sense to me.