AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[steff13]

Found that interesting too. APS is not who I'd call the 1st few hours either.. why that neighbor felt the need to call them when police was there so quickly on Sunday..

I'm a mandated reporter because of my job, so I've called APS and CPS in the past for various reasons. I wouldn't think that a layperson would call APS in this situation; it's really not an APS situation. I believe that most people's understanding is that protective services are for abuse or neglect.

Maybe the call is unrelated to NG being missing; in my state it generally takes a couple of days for protective services to come out. Maybe the neighbor saw the bruising on NG's arm and thought she was being abused?

 

[Diddian]

Because the mouth one is easier to turn on and off?

I agree, and it would be difficult to manipulate a headlamp’s small on/off switch with double-gloved hands.

 

[cherryleaf]

AGREE! At the risk of repeating myself, IMO if this case ever goes to trial, a good defense attorney will have a field day slapping down the evidence. The crime scene was released after 24 hours. I’d argue that anything found after that period is questionable. This makes me furious, btw.

I can understand your feelings. Respectfully, I’m trusting LE on this and I don’t believe they are allowing people to just randomly roam around in her home. They could have certain areas or rooms in the home taped off as well. Idk. No one has any idea of what it looks like inside her home. I wish we did but there’s just no way of knowing what’s going on in there. Sheriff Nanos said in an interview that his investigators were in that home over 20 hours. That’s a long time and a lot of work and evidence collection.

MOO

 

[aafromaa]

In some of the frames I initially saw, they looked almost like shoe coverings or surgical booties.

I’m glad you said this as that was my first thought but since no one else mentioned it, I thought it was just my poor eye sight

 

[captdj]

I believe the door nest camera was disconnected at 1:47 a.m. possibly after the power was disconnected or cut. Or another option is it was disconnected through Nancy's phone via the app.

I believe the man in the video on Nancy's porch was captured at 2:12 a.m. because Sheriff Nanos only mentioned a camera detecting movement at 2:12 a.m.
Harvey Levin also claims that he confirmed with LE that that video was captured at 2:12 a.m.

I believe the suspect thought the door nest cam would not be working when he casually walked up on to the porch. He looks like he is about to bang on the door and then realizes that the camera is still on. This is when he starts to block the camera with his hand and appears to try to attempt to remove it. Then he begins to look for something to help him remove it - the lantana.

He wasn't expecting that door cam to be on and I believe he was afraid that the camera captured him and that is why I believe he took it with him along with Nancy. It appeared he pulled on it from the bottom..that is how ring cameras are removed. This camera removes from the top down.. what weird to me he wasn't interested at all in the security door..

He tried the bottom of the door cam to see if he could release it like a ring camera but this nest camera releases from the top down . Kinda fumbles with it ..not knowing it well.
Since it was disabled at 1:47. how long was he at the front door?
He wasn't more interested in entering the front door with what little video released .

 

[Trino]

I'd also argue a defense attorney can argue that any forensic evidence or crime scene analysis from the home is not to be relied on if this is how LE has treated the crime scene, I am still shocked that they have not fenced NG property temporarily just to ensure nobody has access to the scene, I see no black powder in any photographs of the outside of her home, the front door photographs show the white camera bracket still there after they released the crime scene and I see no black fingerprint powder on it

From the beginning there was no search for NG. The sheriff and FBI were centered on Who Done It with inside the home searches, outside the home, cameras, family interviews, computer searches and a Door Dash guy miles away. Nothing to find the missing NG. Why no organized Tucson searches? No community involvement.

 

[steff13]

From the beginning there was no search for NG. The sheriff and FBI were centered on Who Done It with inside the home searches, outside the home, cameras, family interviews, computer searches and a Door Dash guy miles away. Nothing to find the missing NG. Why no organized Tucson searches? No community involvement.

Where would they search? The last place she was seen was her home, I'm sure they searched that general area. Without an idea of where she was, where would they start?

 

[Shanz]

Still can’t get past he used the FRONT DOOR to enter…when there is an accessible back yard. It’s like he wanted to be seen. Did I miss a post on the back not being accessible?

 

[missy1974]

some one upthread who was a shoe seller or former shoe seller said they looked like loafers but I thought in parts of the doorway video they seemed to have laces (?) IMO. The video is really grainy so tough for me to tell what is real and what is artifact. They did not look work down, ripped or dirty to me FWIW, so I think this person is not living under a cactus. IMO.

adding a screenshot of a former post:
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they look like a loafer style to me too, some have laces... just an example below:

https://www.heydude.ca/products/wally-funk-stretch-speckle-flannel-grey-multi?variant=42438150979651

 

[ggg]

I’m surprised that this post is allowed to stay, even with blurring.

Despite whatever prompt was given, it has not “cleaned up” the image but added new eyes and the wrong kind of light. This image can then get indexed by Google and appear in image searches.

I’d like to suggest that if Websleuths is going to allow AI fan fiction, the specific program and specific prompt used to attain the image must be included so we all can replicate the output.

But honestly, IMO, this should go because it’s more harmful than helpful.

And I thought it was my crappy phone..I agree, get rid of it.

 

[windrower]

I thought that a friend called LE when she didn't show up for church, and then AG. It was a neighbor? The neighbor called APS?

A friend called AG when NG didn’t show up to the home where NG was gathering with friends to watch an online service.

AG called the police.

As far as I know, we’ve no idea how, when, or why APS card was at NG’s door.

I'm still perplexed by this. What prompted the neighbor to call APS?

According to the timeline we have, NG was dropped off between 9pm and 10pm on Saturday. Then she failed to attend the virtual church service at her friend's house on Sunday. This prompted the friend to call AG, who went to the home, found NG missing, and called LE.

Where did the neighbor come in? If she was also at the church service, certainly there was a discussion among the attendees regarding NG's whereabouts and the decision to call AG. So why call APS? And if the neighbor was not at the church service, again, why call APS?

See above.

I might be mistaken, but I thought the sheriff said that a neighbor called Adult Protective Services. That sounds to me like someone reached out to them specifically, not that they attended as part of a law enforcement action. MOO

Please provide a link to the sheriff saying this, because I do not recall that at all.

IMO

 

[oc1234]

What is the source for the suspect without the backpack? Looks AI generated to me.

All IMO

Cheers,
Nin

It was originally distributed in a tweet by Kash Patel (previously posted in this thread). Early on, it was also posted on the FBI's main website but seems to have been deleted once they added more photos as the investigation progressed (backpack photos are an example)

 

[Cassie P]

the home is the crime scene and I don't know how it can be available for people to just work at and enter. To do a complete forensic reexamination at this point seems. futile.

Yes in a high profile kidnapping case, did LE decide to put all resources into finding the victim and ignore gathering crime scene forensic evidence? But I would think careful examination of the crime scene evidence might reveal information about the kidnapper and where the victim might be held?

 

[ChiaPet]

From the beginning there was no search for NG. The sheriff and FBI were centered on Who Done It with inside the home searches, outside the home, cameras, family interviews, computer searches and a Door Dash guy miles away. Nothing to find the missing NG. Why no organized Tucson searches? No community involvement.

Yes! A lot of this has seemed backwards to me, even including SG's videos. They asked for camera footage later, searched for clues (like the glove) in the area later. And SG's first 2 videos were super weird. I know we don't know all that they do but I think it would have seemed less weird if SG's videos were the one alone where she said she needs the public health, then the "we still believe one" and then the 2 that were geared towards talking to the perp directly

 

[turaj]

I only wish I had his luck, he won the lottery of criminals considering (IMO) he isn't very sophisticated, and looks opportunistic,

He really did win the lottery although I think it is targeted and someone that knows the family. Also the pitch black roads and apparent lack of security. Then if he even does get caught prosecution will be tough and a good defense attorney will be all over the contaminated crime scene and chain of custody on evidence.

 

[Gunther Toody]

A couple of things that I do not believe have been addressed in the case.
1. The temperature in Tucson at about 2 AM on the night this occurred was 54-55 degrees. Why is the offender dressed in such heavy clothing?

2. He took the time to observe the doorbell camera, then got some brush to obscure it. Why not just smash it?

Link to Weather Underground historical weather page.

Davis-Monthan AFB, AZ Weather History | Weather Underground

 

[aafromaa]

I'm a mandated reporter because of my job, so I've called APS and CPS in the past for various reasons. I wouldn't think that a layperson would call APS in this situation; it's really not an APS situation. I believe that most people's understanding is that protective services are for abuse or neglect.

Maybe the call is unrelated to NG being missing; in my state it generally takes a couple of days for protective services to come out. Maybe the neighbor saw the bruising on NG's arm and thought she was being abused?

Thanks for sharing your insight as a mandated reporter. I agree most of u would only think of calling APS in cases of suspected abuse or neglect.

It’s the timing of the call that puzzles me most - if they saw bruising a call to APS might make sense at the time but a neighbor couldn’t see that on that Sunday morning. It even makes sense to me if someone needed to think about it for a day or two before calling but then why call on a Sunday morning? If it wasn’t an emergency to call immediately then why not wait until Monday? Or was the sheriff mistaken when he said the call was after NG missing? Or did the observant neighbor not notice the presence of LE and media at NG’s house that afternoon?

 

[steff13]

A friend called AG when NG didn’t show up to the home where NG was gathering with friends to watch an online service.

AG called the police.

As far as I know, we’ve no idea how, when, or why APS card was at NG’s door.



See above.



Please provide a link to the sheriff saying this, because I do not recall that at all.

IMO

It's in this thread, but it's also here:
Post in thread 'Nancy Guthrie, 84, missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026 - MEDIA, MAPS, TIMELINE thread *NO DISCUSSION*' Nancy Guthrie, 84, missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026 - MEDIA, MAPS, TIMELINE thread *NO DISCUSSION*

 

[steff13]

Thanks for sharing your insight as a mandated reporter. I agree most of u would only think of calling APS in cases of suspected abuse or neglect.

It’s the timing of the call that puzzles me most - if they saw bruising a call to APS might make sense at the time but a neighbor couldn’t see that on that Sunday morning. It even makes sense to me if someone needed to think about it for a day or two before calling but then why call on a Sunday morning? If it wasn’t an emergency to call immediately then why not wait until Monday? Or was the sheriff mistaken when he said the call was after NG missing? Or did the observant neighbor not notice the presence of LE and media at NG’s house that afternoon?

Actually I was mistaken, now that I look it up the sheriff said that a neighbor called the same day she went missing. So who knows what they were thinking?

 

[missy1974]

I'm a mandated reporter because of my job, so I've called APS and CPS in the past for various reasons. I wouldn't think that a layperson would call APS in this situation; it's really not an APS situation. I believe that most people's understanding is that protective services are for abuse or neglect.

Maybe the call is unrelated to NG being missing; in my state it generally takes a couple of days for protective services to come out. Maybe the neighbor saw the bruising on NG's arm and thought she was being abused?

From the article:
During one lull in the story on Feb. 16, ***** spent time speculating about a business card that he had seen that was left on Nancy Guthrie’s front door. The card was from a case manager for Arizona’s Adult Protective Services division.

***** speculated that there might have been an open case of elder abuse.

There was not.

A Republic reporter saw the card on Feb. 3 while taking photographs at the front door. A reporter called the phone number listed. An agent said the card was left after Nancy Guthrie’s disappearance, not before.

It was left so Nancy Guthrie, an older adult who lived alone, could contact the agency if she needed services once she returned home safe.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona/2026/02/17/media-circus-nancy-guthrie-coverage/88683133007/