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Wait a minute, didn't Nanos say previously there was no evidence Nancy was taken over the border and they have no reason to believe she's in Mexico and now the FBI has put Mexican authorities on alert? Are these agencies even communicating because it feels like there's two separate investigations going on.

I also noticed Levin used the singular "kidnapper" and Sheriff Nanos said "individual with a target" in his most recent interview. Are we to surmise this was a lone wolf? It seems like it would take more than one person to pull this off, especially if they smuggled Nancy into Mexico, but I could be wrong. JMO.
 
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There has been a lot of back and forth about a single image of the masked man which I'll call the No-Backpack Image
Note that the backpack straps and gun are not visible:

View attachment 646178

So far I've seen people claim:
  • "The FBI used AI to manipulate the image"
  • "Media used AI to manipulate the image"
  • "This is proof that the FBI actually have more videos"
  • "It's a different person altogether"
I don't know if any of those are true, but what I've done to check is downloaded each of the images and videos released by Cash Patel (Director of the FBI) from this source to compare them, and I've discovered a few interesting clues:
  • The No-Backpack image is not a single frame from any of the three videos released to the public (altered or not) - The man has a completely different pose.
  • There is no meta data showing the original date created (if there was, it was lost when the image was uploaded to X)
  • The "Nest" logo is not shown (is it cropped?)
  • The image size is tiny - resolution is 367 x 546 pixels - this is basically just a thumbnail
  • No-Backpack man is not casting a shadow from the moonlight before he steps under the cover of the the porch (in the other videos, his shadow is obvious)

FIrstly, I have overlaid the No-Backpack image (367x546) over one of the FBI's other full resolution images (1536x2048) to compare the size. This makes the size / resolution disparity quite obvious:

View attachment 646173

Next I have grabbed a capture from one of the videos that shows the man, roughly in the same position, before he enters the porch (right).
No-Backpack man (left) casts no shadow. Backpack man (right) casts an obvious shadow from the Moonlight
(Note I have cropped/resized images to match each other)
View attachment 646175
For reference Moonrise on that night was around 4:54 p.m. local time, and moonset was about 6:44 a.m. the next morning.
At around 2am the moon (almost full, 98% brightness) was in the west (to the left looking out of the porch)
The weather in Tuscon at the time was clear. So there should have been bright moonlight all night.

So what does this tell us ?
1. No-Backpack image was taken at a different time
  • Without meta data we don't know the date/time
  • We can probably assume that it was before the other videos (since it looks like he eventually ripped the doorbell camera off its mount and took it with him)
  • It could have been the same evening, but a random cloud was obscuring the moon at that moment
  • It could be days before (a reconnaissance mission perhaps?)

2. The properties of No-Backpack image is significantly different to the other images/videos
  • It's cropped (not full frame - refer to the image with the hand/glove - way more of the brick archway is visible)
  • It is very low resolution - meaning it might be a thumbnail or a still image from a notification
Thumbnails are a graphic representation of one or multiple files, like when you're looking through a photo gallery with 18 images shown on your screen, each of those small images are a single, low resolution thumbnail file.
Without them, you would only see a list of filenames.

Notification images are like a snapshot of an event that might be shown in the Nest App. Again, low resolution.
With Thumbnails and Notification images, the metadata does not necessarily reflect the time that the original image was captured. So Google/FBI may not know what time/date the No-Backpack event actually happened.

3. Was the image manipulated/altered to remove the backpack/gun?
- We can't tell for sure, but I think it's very unlikely.

4. Is No-Backpack image from another video that hasn't been released?
- Probably not. If the FBI had a full resolution video, it would not make any sense to crop and resize a single frame to release to the public in such low resolution).

That's all I have. I hope it clears things up a little, and I apologise for the essay.
Did you ever see the no backpack photo with the background being INSIDE of a home? This was the first image I saw of the no backpack. The background was a coffee table with lamp on it and a large framed picture on the wall. I assumed it was from a camera inside the home. It was in a post on here, I believe from Friday Feb 6. But I never have seen that version again.
 
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JLR IS NOT ALLOWED as a source and is off topic in discussion.
 
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"...A suspect in the Nancy Guthrie investigation could be identified within two days amid a renewed probe into DNA evidence, a former
FBI special agent predicted.

Despite the search for the 84-year-old mother of Today Show star Savannah Guthrie
nearing three weeks without any arrests, John Iannarelli said investigators may be closing in...."

Would be nice if Iannarelli is accurate ??
Of course take this source with the proverbial grain. :rolleyes:

There's also this :


"... Amid mounting pressure on his handling of the investigation, Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos insisted on Tuesday that the case is 'far from cold' despite no arrests being made 18 days into Nancy's disappearance.
The sheriff leading the search for missing Nancy Guthrie is facing mounting allegations that his mismanagement crippled the crucial early stages of the investigation ..... a vital search-and-rescue aircraft was grounded in the initial hours of the investigation when it was needed most..."


There is also the impression I have, that sheriff Nanos and the FBI are not on the same page, and it's frustrating when an elderly woman's life is at stake !
Smh.
Omo
 
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JMO I think the person who entered the house went there to kidnap NG and succeeded. The bag may have held items he might need to capture and keep her silent.
Sometimes it is not all smoke and mirrors, it is what it appears to be
 
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I wonder if recent Uber drivers, or car service drivers, have been interviewed. Statistically most are OK, like any group of people, but someone took NG. A hired driver could make friendly, casual conversation, find out she lived alone, had no dog, and could watch or help her get in or out of the car, seeing she couldn't move easily. It would only take a bad guy one trip to make a plan, ugh.

Did AG/TC always drive her home from places at night, or did NG order her own Ubers/cabs?
 
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If the abductor arrived by vehicle, wouldn't someone on NG's street would have ring camera footage? Maybe it didn't pick up the license plate number but maybe they have a make, model and color? How long was it before LE released the info about the white Hyundai Elantra in the BK case?
While that sounds like a good plan for most neighborhoods, I don't think that would work with the layout of NG's. The plants and rocks in the yards make things much more secluded than a neighborhood in other areas that just has grass in the front yard. Here is Brian Entin in front of NG's and he has a similar video at AG's home and the landscaping of both streets look the same.
 
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"Outside of the DNA, we’re also learning more about about what police are looking for. Males with facial hair who match the physical characteristics seen on Nancy’s Nest video — who may have recently purchased guns and have shopped at Walmart."

 
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While that sounds like a good plan for most neighborhoods, I don't think that would work with the layout of NG's. The plants and rocks in the yards make things much more secluded than a neighborhood in other areas that just has grass in the front yard. Here is Brian Entin in front of NG's and he has a similar video at AG's home and the landscaping of both streets look the same.
DBM. Didn’t see the date. Sorry.
 
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Wait a minute, didn't Nanos say previously there was no evidence Nancy was taken over the border and they have no reason to believe she's in Mexico and now the FBI has put Mexican authorities on alert? Are these agencies even communicating because it feels like there's two separate investigations going on.

I also noticed Levin used the singular "kidnapper" and Sheriff Nanos said "individual with a target" in his most recent interview. Are we to surmise this was a lone wolf? It seems like it would take more than one person to pull this off, especially if they smuggled Nancy into Mexico, but I could be wrong. JMO.
I also find it interesting that the second series of letters from an alleged "informant" demanding 1 bitcoin in exchange for info claimed "get ready to go international".

It seems like every single TMZ letter is from the same person creating an intricate storyline pretending to be the kidnapper, witness/informant, and back to kidnapper.

OR

the initial ransom was real and the informant, trying to get 1 bitcoin, really did know the kidnapper and did see them in Mexico 6 days ago.

I don't know what to believe anymore at this point. IMO
 
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I am critiquing not criticizing but once again I see LE going into NG house with no protective coverings to preserve what to me is a crime scene, no matter how many times LE says it isn't,

IMO they should go back to day 1 and do a complete forensic reexamination of her home and property, the crime scene is the only place at the moment where there is any possible evidence, and fresh eyes may see or find something new which could move the case forward

Sheriff Nanos said LE was in Nancy's home collecting evidence and such for 20 hours. That is a significant time.

I still don't understand why they didn't take that doormat though.
 
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Sometimes it is not all smoke and mirrors, it is what it appears to be
Maybe. I've always thought two people, but maybe she was able to walk out and not be carried????? jmo
 
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Did you ever see the no backpack photo with the background being INSIDE of a home? This was the first image I saw of the no backpack. The background was a coffee table with lamp on it and a large framed picture on the wall. I assumed it was from a camera inside the home. It was in a post on here, I believe from Friday Feb 6. But I never have seen that version again.
Are you able to find the post?
 
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It’s reasonable that APS is alerted by LE whenever a senior is reported missing, a mandated procedure. Just because the card was left in the door doesn’t necessarily indicate no one was at the house, just that they weren’t invited in to talk family members who were present so the agent left their calling card. Understandably, APS intervention was not a priority then or now.
JMO


That morning, Guthrie failed to show up at a friend's house to watch a church service online, as she routinely did, so they called her daughter, Annie, who lives nearby, a source close to the family told NBC News.

At 11:56 a.m., the family arrived to check on her, calling 911 at 12:03 to report her missing. Patrol cars arrived at 12:15 p.m. and the search for Guthrie begins.
It is reasonable. But the sheriff said a neighbor called. Not that they were alerted by LE.
 
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Unfortunately, I have a different type of security camera where images remain on my Windows laptop hard drive, even with my camera disconnected.

Anyone know why the following steps do not work for a (Google) Nest camera like Nancy Guthrie had?

On Computers
  • Windows: Open File Explorer (Windows Key + E) and click on the Downloads folder in the left sidebar.
On Mobile Devices
  • Android: Open your app drawer, find the Files or My Files app, and look in
LINK:
Google Search

Michael T.
Software Engineer (retired)
 
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