AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[raja]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2024196992407392375

Let’s hope that the email writer to TMZ came through with information and they are going to find her today

 

[Irish1]

And wear pinky rings... MOO

Is there a way to compile as much information as possible and get an expert in AI to run algorithms to come up with new information that may not have looked at yet. Just a thought from left field.

 

[chaz]

There has been a lot of back and forth about a single image of the masked man which I'll call the No-Backpack Image
Note that the backpack straps and gun are not visible:

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So far I've seen people claim:

• "The FBI used AI to manipulate the image"
• "Media used AI to manipulate the image"
• "This is proof that the FBI actually have more videos"
• "It's a different person altogether"

I don't know if any of those are true, but what I've done to check is downloaded each of the images and videos released by Cash Patel (Director of the FBI) from this source to compare them, and I've discovered a few interesting clues:

• The No-Backpack image is not a single frame from any of the three videos released to the public (altered or not) - The man has a completely different pose.
• There is no meta data showing the original date created (if there was, it was lost when the image was uploaded to X)
• The "Nest" logo is not shown (is it cropped?)
• The image size is tiny - resolution is 367 x 546 pixels - this is basically just a thumbnail
• No-Backpack man is not casting a shadow from the moonlight before he steps under the cover of the the porch (in the other videos, his shadow is obvious)

FIrstly, I have overlaid the No-Backpack image (367x546) over one of the FBI's other full resolution images (1536x2048) to compare the size. This makes the size / resolution disparity quite obvious:

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Next I have grabbed a capture from one of the videos that shows the man, roughly in the same position, before he enters the porch (right).
No-Backpack man (left) casts no shadow. Backpack man (right) casts an obvious shadow from the Moonlight
(Note I have cropped/resized images to match each other)
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For reference Moonrise on that night was around 4:54 p.m. local time, and moonset was about 6:44 a.m. the next morning.
At around 2am the moon (almost full, 98% brightness) was in the west (to the left looking out of the porch)
The weather in Tuscon at the time was clear. So there should have been bright moonlight all night.

So what does this tell us ?
1. No-Backpack image was taken at a different time

• Without meta data we don't know the date/time
• We can probably assume that it was before the other videos (since it looks like he eventually ripped the doorbell camera off its mount and took it with him)
• It could have been the same evening, but a random cloud was obscuring the moon at that moment
• It could be days before (a reconnaissance mission perhaps?)

2. The properties of No-Backpack image is significantly different to the other images/videos

• It's cropped (not full frame - refer to the image with the hand/glove - way more of the brick archway is visible)
• It is very low resolution - meaning it might be a thumbnail or a still image from a notification

Thumbnails are a graphic representation of one or multiple files, like when you're looking through a photo gallery with 18 images shown on your screen, each of those small images are a single, low resolution thumbnail file.
Without them, you would only see a list of filenames.

Notification images are like a snapshot of an event that might be shown in the Nest App. Again, low resolution.
With Thumbnails and Notification images, the metadata does not necessarily reflect the time that the original image was captured. So Google/FBI may not know what time/date the No-Backpack event actually happened.

3. Was the image manipulated/altered to remove the backpack/gun?
- We can't tell for sure, but I think it's very unlikely.

4. Is No-Backpack image from another video that hasn't been released?
- Probably not. If the FBI had a full resolution video, it would not make any sense to crop and resize a single frame to release to the public in such low resolution).

That's all I have. I hope it clears things up a little, and I apologise for the essay.

There is another difference between de shadow/no shadow picture. Items were moved. I tried to frame it

 

[cady]

There is another difference between de shadow/no shadow picture. Items were moved. I tried to frame it

Interesting. jmo

 

[dogmom805]

These images pretty much confirm to me that this guy wore a latex mask under the ski mask. Which means that other than the eyeball size and distance between them nothing at all should be assumed in terms of brow or folds. Even the shape of the eyes might be distorted.

I think that no assumptions can really be made about facial features either, to include facial hair or nose size/shape.

Dang. This guy had a plan and executed it really really well. I don't even think he was concerned about himself being seen on camera. I think he was more concerned about NG being on camera when he left with her, and perhaps saying something that implicated him (those cameras have microphones).

JMO.

Agreed.

I found of interest that after the doorbell cam release photos of lantana man, FBI described only his sex, height, and build, leaving open the opportunity that it could be a second mask/disguise.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

FBI Contacts Mexican Authorities in Nancy Guthrie Kidnapping, New Ransom Demand

The FBI has reached out to authorities in Mexico, in the hunt for Nancy Guthrie and her kidnapper, TMZ has learned ... and TMZ has received a new ransom note.

www.tmz.com

 

[Han]

There is another difference between de shadow/no shadow picture. Items were moved. I tried to frame it

Are you saying shadows have moved or is there more?

 

[windrower]

Thank you!! I was waiting to hear something like that!! Quoting my own post again:

‘After many hours of research of everything we know, of almost everything available open - source, I have a completely different thought of what the motive is in this case.

The discovery of the possible ring on the suspects right hand may be a dead giveaway. Someone will or has already recognized it IMO. For the subject to wear the ring during the crime, it must have significance to them. Why risk losing it? Or did he know he would not take his glove(s) off and therefore he would keep his precious ring on. He was not planning on going through drawers, trying to open a safe (if there was one) with his clumsy gloves.

No, not a burglary gone wrong, but taking or hurting a specific person with the intention to further hurt another family member - SG. ALL IMO- MOO etc.

The subject committed this crime to hurt SG. He wants SG to feel fear, despair and see her feel hopeless. The subject may have experienced loss in his own family - perhaps several losses- and something SG did, said or wrote may not have sit well with the subject. The subject has mental and or health issues IMO and has a deranged mind.

Tracing family lineage through DNA will solve this case hopefully soon. Whether we will know about Nancy Guthrie’s whereabouts ands state is another question. The hope dies last..’

Cheers,
Nin

And fairly coincidental that our favorite J, “neighbor” of NG, who came from miles away to be interviewed, wears a ring on his right hand. As seen in his second interview.

Really not sure why he feels the need to say anything at all.

 

[penguinface]

Unfortunately, I have a different type of security camera where images are saved on my Windows laptop hard drive, even with my camera disconnected.

Anyone know why the following steps do not work for a (Google) Nest camera like Nancy Guthrie had?

On Computers

• Windows: Open File Explorer (Windows Key + E) and click on the Downloads folder in the left sidebar.

On Mobile Devices

• Android: Open your app drawer, find the Files or My Files app, and look in the Downloads folder.
• iPhone/iPad: Open the Files app, tap the "Browse" tab, and select On My iPhone/iPad > Downloads.

Michael T.
Software Engineer (retired)

I think proprietary systems, like Google Nest and Amazon Ring, don’t have the same “open source” nature regarding files and them automatically saving as unencrypted mp4 videos on your computer or device. Instead, the videos are initially accessible only within their own app, unless you then save a copy to your device or your cloud storage, such as Google Drive. I could be wrong though, and there might well be settings that circumvent this, depending on your subscription tier or something, but with NG not having a subscription, it’s kind of moot, as the videos wouldn’t have saved on any devices in any case, even within the app.

JMO

 

[Lebowski]

There is another difference between de shadow/no shadow picture. Items were moved. I tried to frame it

IMO, that might just be things looking different under different lighting. this would fit the assumption that the lighting was indeed different due to a passing cloud or being from a different time.

there was a new moon around january 18th. if the image were from around then, it would have been dark out at night, regardless of the weather.

edit: according to this, the weather in tucson was clear almost every hour of most days. there were only 3 clumps of days with cloudy weather overnight: january 1, 7-8, and 22-25. so assuming there was indeed no light out, and this image is from some time in january (?), it would seem to come from either one of those days, or from around the 18th when there was a new moon.

 

[penguinface]

There is another difference between de shadow/no shadow picture. Items were moved. I tried to frame it

I think that might be the backpack.

JMO

edit: scratch that, I think I was probably seeing things in the blurriness. On a larger screen, I don’t so much think so!

 

[cady]

And fairly coincidental that our favorite J, “neighbor” of NG, who came from miles away to be interviewed, wears a ring on his right hand. As seen in his second interview.

Really not sure why he feels the need to say anything at all.

Was this guy a neighbor of TC? Or am I remembering some other interviewee? jmo

 

[shonyakay]

I’m thinking LE has not publicly discussed the shoes because they didn’t want the perp to get rid of them. You can be sure they are deep into trying to identify brands and treads. This is the kind of info they would put into their sealed affidavits.

I'd bet they are from Walmart too. The suspect is a walking Walmart advertisement.

 

[Megnut]

I'm also not seeing a gun in front of his crotch. Cropped from the images in your EXCELLENT post. You can see it in the image on the right, but not the one on the left.

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Here's the same image showing their entire bodies. Also noticed that the guy on the right has that head light thing on, the other guy does not.

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In the image where no holster is visible, is it possible that he was wearing the holster more traditionally (in nit out, side not center) and moved it front and center as he approached the door (or offside)? I'm noticing the bulk at his hip.

JMO

 

[1.618]

I'd bet they are from Walmart too. The suspect is a walking Walmart advertisement.

For less that $50, it seems that anyone can purchase an entire abduction outfit and gear from the Walmart. Isn't there some logic built into their inventory/purchase system that if these items are all bought together, perhaps we should look into it further because it doesn't just seem like joe-shmo is going on a family camping trip?

 

[AuntTricia]

And fairly coincidental that our favorite J, “neighbor” of NG, who came from miles away to be interviewed, wears a ring on his right hand. As seen in his second interview.

Really not sure why he feels the need to say anything at all.

And looks like he is wearing makeup. Especially eye liner. Hair nicely done. Just an attention seeker.

 

[penguinface]

Was this guy a neighbor of TC? Or am I remembering some other interviewee? jmo

He claimed to be, but also said he lived “about fifteen minutes away”.

JMO

 

[j322]

I’ve been a bit behind so forgive me. I’ve thought this for a bit, regarding the theory that 2 people were involved. If they did in fact enter through the back window/slider, why the heck would a person come around the house to disable the nest camera? Wouldn’t one think to just simply open the door from the inside, break the camera off and then take her out? Whole thing is so sus I’m not sure we’ll ever know. JMO

 

[Megnut]

Do we have any sense of what occurred at 1:47? Disabled what? Disrupted wifi? Disrupted electricty? Disabled A camera but not ALL cameras?

I have questions.

JMO

 

[1.618]

IMO, that might just be things looking different under different lighting. this would fit the assumption that the lighting was indeed different due to a passing cloud or being from a different time.

there was a new moon around january 18th. if the image were from around then, it would have been dark out at night, regardless of the weather.

It was a full moon the evening of the abduction: Moon Phase for Today and Tonight