AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[tricia]

I think she's talking about us! (j/k there are a ton of armchair sleuths out there)
(from the NBC News website)
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Arizona congresswoman condemns internet speculation

Rep. Adelita Grijalva, D-Ariz., condemned internet sleuths who are speculating online about the Guthrie investigation.

www.nbcnews.com

I need to respond to this. She is mistaken in her opinion. What needs to stop is the irresponsible discussion of the case. Hopefully I can post a response to this tonight after our livestream.

 

[SMK777]

Ok that really looks like...that POI picture the forensic artist did. It could be a wild coincidence.

Yes, it does.
She has an impeccable record and used an empirical methodology.

 

[Mack the Knife]

"They told me I watched the news and googled her number - or her name - and I'm like "prove it to me" and they couldn't prove it to me. It was insufficient evidence and like they only had a phone on me, that's all." CP Timestamp: 1:40

The video is ABC15 Arizona. Looks like you have to watch on YouTube.

I'm not sure how reliable or relevant this is, but a quick search of the term "Can you trace bitcoin" on Google Trends shows that there was a hit, in Arizona, on the 20th January. Over the last 30 days there were hits for the same search term in only 6 of the 50 states in the USA. The only search that appeared prior to NG's disappearance? The one in Arizona.

Apologies of this has been posted previously, or can be easily debunked, I just thought it was interesting.

Where is the source that FBI or any LE have stated anything about "internet searches" for Nancy Guthrie? (I have no doubt there were online searches but LE has not giving out this info as of now)

Normally I have been a fan of Michael Ruiz's reporting on this case but he is basing this off Google Trends and that is NOT how numbers are calculated.

I don’t actually think it means much, but I wanted to group these posts about internet searches together. CP, who was detained in the first traffic stop (not the Range Rover) said at one point that LE was accusing him of making relevant internet searches. That was probably a lie, since they didn’t have his devices to check that, and Google is certainly not giving LE broad info on anyone who searched for a specific term, but still a bit interesting.

 

[Sessiebo]

Nancy Guthrie case: biological evidence analyzed; Mother and son detained, released

New evidence is in the lab as a mother and son were subjects of search warrants but later released in the Nancy Guthrie case.

www.azfamily.com

<snipped>
Minutes before that emailed release, the lawyer for a mother and her son confirmed to Arizona’s Family that they were subjects of two search warrants issued and served last Friday. Attorney Chris Scileppi said the pair were detained while the search warrants were being executed, but later released with no arrests made.

Briana nicely edited her post about this;

https://twitter.com/x/status/2024246190683148436

 

[SRWCF]

"Fox News has learned polygraph tests are being conducted at the Pima County Sheriff’s Department amid the ongoing search for Nancy Guthrie.

While authorities would not confirm the tests are connected to the case, the sheriff’s department promised “an update is coming soon.” BBM

Nancy Guthrie disappearance: Sheriff pleads with suspect to ‘just let her go,’ insists case not cold

Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos made a plea Tuesday to the suspect in Nancy Guthrie’s disappearance, urging the individual to “just let her go.” He added that the investigation continues to be a rescue operation and not a recovery mission.

www.foxnews.com

 

[captdj]

My take based on what was provided to us:

Doorcam disconnected at 1:47. FBI states that the footage released to us was doorbell cam moments prior to disconnect. So figure footage was from around 1:30 AM give or take.

2:12 was motion detected by another camera somewhere on the property. It was probably the time the perp(s) walked around to the back of the house. Or maybe the time a car pulled into the driveway for getaway.

NG pace maker disconnects around 2:28 +- 4 minutes. So from the time they entered the house to taking her was probably only 10-15 minutes.

IMO

Yes I agree with about 10 minutes also. I think once he disabled the doorcam cause it was active on the wifi.. he was rushing to get in and get out ASAP.

 

[warp3dwing]

My take based on what was provided to us:

Doorcam disconnected at 1:47. FBI states that the footage released to us was doorbell cam moments prior to disconnect. So figure footage was from around 1:30 AM give or take.

2:12 was motion detected by another camera somewhere on the property. It was probably the time the perp(s) walked around to the back of the house. Or maybe the time a car pulled into the driveway for getaway.

NG pace maker disconnects around 2:28 +- 4 minutes. So from the time they entered the house to taking her was probably only 10-15 minutes.

IMO

We might be able to estimate the time using shadow length from the moon in relation to the suspect’s height. It won’t be exact, but it might be enough to tell us if the footage was closer to 01:30 or 2:15.

 

[submarine7]

"Fox News has learned polygraph tests are being conducted at the Pima County Sheriff’s Department amid the ongoing search for Nancy Guthrie.

While authorities would not confirm the tests are connected to the case, the sheriff’s department promised “an update is coming soon.” BBM

Nancy Guthrie disappearance: Sheriff pleads with suspect to ‘just let her go,’ insists case not cold

Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos made a plea Tuesday to the suspect in Nancy Guthrie’s disappearance, urging the individual to “just let her go.” He added that the investigation continues to be a rescue operation and not a recovery mission.

www.foxnews.com

Interesting!

 

[DizzyB]

I guess I can't hold it against LE for still offering/conducting them, but polygraphs (personally) mean nothing to me, more or less. I know LE swears they use them to "help weed everyone out", but also it's pretty well-established that they're borderline meaningless, which is why they're not allowed as evidence in anything that counts for anything.

So. If they're giving people polygraphs, good for them, I guess. I hope it gives them data they can use. To me this just means they don't know for sure who did this and are hoping to stress someone out enough to make a mistake (totally reasonable and fair; also has NOTHING to do with whether or not polygraphs work as claimed).

Polygraphs are a tool, and that’s about it. I don’t believe you can ever eliminate someone as a suspect purely on the results of a polygraph.

Best post I've seen! Great work

So-Lantana Man was captured at Nancy’s house on a different night, possibly. That’s interesting.

 

[Trino]

Interesting!

Sheriff believes NG is alive because there's no proof of death. Who is going to send a photo of a deceased person to LE? And, why would they?

 

[submarine7]

Sheriff believes NG is alive because there's no proof of death. Who is going to send a photo of a deceased person to LE? And, why would they?

That's his upcoming announcement?
Edit: update not announcement

 

[cait2007]

If they disconnected / cut power to the door camera in advance then they wouldn't have any hesitation going to the front door.
I believe they didn't anticipate that door camera to be working.

Nancy was obviously taken out of the front door of her home, either alive or deceased, because of her blood trail leading away from her front door toward the front driveway area.

I have the same doorbell camera and they have a backup battery inside just in case power goes out.

Leaving with her out the front door makes the most sense, as it’s the easiest route, especially with potentially carrying someone. What’s questionable is why access and remove the front door camera from outside the home? If you already subdued her and accessed the home from the back; why not just open the front door from inside her house and put something over the camera to break it off? It would’ve completely prevented him from being seen at all from that camera.

 

[SRWCF]

I need to respond to this. She is mistaken in her opinion. What needs to stop is the irresponsible discussion of the case. Hopefully I can post a response to this tonight after our livestream.

I agree, Tricia. You run a very tight ship here and Websleuths is anything but an "anything goes" type of sleuthing site.

 

[armchairagatha]

Ok that really looks like...that POI picture the forensic artist did. It could be a wild coincidence.

Not a racial comment but the guy in the forensic artist’s pic looked Hispanic. LD doesn’t look Hispanic

 

[shonyakay]

bought a holster

as there are many almost exact brands with sales tracing back many years. IF they are going off the Walmart brand then it
s nothing more than a guesstimate based on the masked man having a Walmart exclusive backpack. There is zero way they can tell what holster that was based on the footage. Gun store owner interviewed explicitly said he ran names all purchases and the agent asked him "if they bought a gun" from them.

do you have a link to the exact phrasing or TMZ page where Mr. Levin stated this?

Timestamp: 2:30

This was yesterday. He also stated the same thing today.

 

[TheDinks]

I need to respond to this. She is mistaken in her opinion. What needs to stop is the irresponsible discussion of the case. Hopefully I can post a response to this tonight after our livestream.

I only just read Adelita's quote and I REALLY do not think she is referring to Websleuths. The reporter Matt chose to use the word "sleuths" in his intro. IMO she is just referencing every man and his dog across all SM platforms... X, TT, FB, YT, IG et al who are making false accusations, assumptions, stating that multiple certain persons look EXACTLY like mask guy and repeating just about every other snippet of goss out there.

I read comments on Savannah's FB page yesterday and was flabbergasted by some of the theories posted TO SG about members of her family (WTF? on her own FB, to her!!) as well as other comments, ie - "why don't you put up $1 mil reward ??"

Social Media is literally out of control and insane!!

 

[captdj]

There has been a lot of back and forth about a single image of the masked man which I'll call the No-Backpack Image
Note that the backpack straps and gun are not visible:

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So far I've seen people claim:

• "The FBI used AI to manipulate the image"
• "Media used AI to manipulate the image"
• "This is proof that the FBI actually have more videos"
• "It's a different person altogether"

I don't know if any of those are true, but what I've done to check is downloaded each of the images and videos released by Cash Patel (Director of the FBI) from this source to compare them, and I've discovered a few interesting clues:

• The No-Backpack image is not a single frame from any of the three videos released to the public (altered or not) - The man has a completely different pose.
• There is no meta data showing the original date created (if there was, it was lost when the image was uploaded to X)
• The "Nest" logo is not shown (is it cropped?)
• The image size is tiny - resolution is 367 x 546 pixels - this is basically just a thumbnail
• No-Backpack man is not casting a shadow from the moonlight before he steps under the cover of the the porch (in the other videos, his shadow is obvious)

FIrstly, I have overlaid the No-Backpack image (367x546) over one of the FBI's other full resolution images (1536x2048) to compare the size. This makes the size / resolution disparity quite obvious:

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Next I have grabbed a capture from one of the videos that shows the man, roughly in the same position, before he enters the porch (right).
No-Backpack man (left) casts no shadow. Backpack man (right) casts an obvious shadow from the Moonlight
(Note I have cropped/resized images to match each other)
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For reference Moonrise on that night was around 4:54 p.m. local time, and moonset was about 6:44 a.m. the next morning.
At around 2am the moon (almost full, 98% brightness) was in the west (to the left looking out of the porch)
The weather in Tuscon at the time was clear. So there should have been bright moonlight all night.

So what does this tell us ?
1. No-Backpack image was taken at a different time

• Without meta data we don't know the date/time
• We can probably assume that it was before the other videos (since it looks like he eventually ripped the doorbell camera off its mount and took it with him)
• It could have been the same evening, but a random cloud was obscuring the moon at that moment
• It could be days before (a reconnaissance mission perhaps?)

2. The properties of No-Backpack image is significantly different to the other images/videos

• It's cropped (not full frame - refer to the image with the hand/glove - way more of the brick archway is visible)
• It is very low resolution - meaning it might be a thumbnail or a still image from a notification

Thumbnails are a graphic representation of one or multiple files, like when you're looking through a photo gallery with 18 images shown on your screen, each of those small images are a single, low resolution thumbnail file.
Without them, you would only see a list of filenames.

Notification images are like a snapshot of an event that might be shown in the Nest App. Again, low resolution.
With Thumbnails and Notification images, the metadata does not necessarily reflect the time that the original image was captured. So Google/FBI may not know what time/date the No-Backpack event actually happened.

3. Was the image manipulated/altered to remove the backpack/gun?
- We can't tell for sure, but I think it's very unlikely.

4. Is No-Backpack image from another video that hasn't been released?
- Probably not. If the FBI had a full resolution video, it would not make any sense to crop and resize a single frame to release to the public in such low resolution).

That's all I have. I hope it clears things up a little, and I apologise for the essay.

Great job and post.. I did notice flower pots at driveway also had shadows but no backpack it was just darker and no shadow...thinking not AI? ok is there a way you could estimate the time of the no backpack image if it was the same night based on the moon light?
if he was there when NG was with family?

 

[K.jill]

Not a racial comment but the guy in the forensic artist’s pic looked Hispanic. LD doesn’t look Hispanic

I don’t think LD resembles the sketch. LD’s face looks long and the sketch has a square face, IMO.

 

[penguinface]

Know who KD is, but who is CD?
Not familiar

The Pima County Sheriff’s Office inmate site might be worth a search for KD’s last name, that should hopefully help.

Pima County Sheriff Department

Pima County Sheriff's Department.

www.sheriff.pima.gov

JMO

 

[TheDinks]

Not a racial comment but the guy in the forensic artist’s pic looked Hispanic. LD doesn’t look Hispanic

He does partially, because there is that line in his genes IMO