• #34,741
Regarding ransom note to TMZ: if I wanted to give a tip but keep a low profile with the folks I know who are implicated, I’d be stealthier. Send to local newspaper and tell them to give to police. A tip to TMZ seems like a death sentence for the tipster if you really did know who did it. You can’t be one of many who knows. Unless it’s a ruse and it is the perpetrator posing as a bystander.
 
  • #34,742
I think this is the coat. Rothco Special Ops Subdued Urban Digital Camo Softshell Jacket. The ultra reflective full zip gives it away as civilian wear. No military garb is going to have zippers that light up like that under IR camera sources. That's a safety feature for consumer goods. (sorry i didn't know the rule about links.. i was afraid of giving free advertising 😅)

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I think this is the coat. Rothco Special Ops Subdued Urban Digital Camo Softshell Jacket. The ultra reflective full zip gives it away as civilian wear. No military garb is going to have zippers that light up like that under IR camera sources. That's a safety feature for consumer goods.
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You need to add a link to the jacket as per rules 😊
 
  • #34,744

Nancy Guthrie's Captor Had a 'Target,' Says Sheriff: 'He Has Made It Tough'​



The sheriff at the forefront of the investigation into the abduction of Savannah Guthrie’s 84-year-old mother, Nancy Guthrie, believes the captor had a clear target in mind.



The sheriff at the forefront of the investigation into the abduction of Savannah Guthrie’s 84-year-old mother, Nancy Guthrie, believes the captor had a clear target in mind.


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In an aerial view, Nancy Guthrie's residence is seen on February 17, 2026 in Tucson, Arizona

Nancy Guthrie's Tucson, Ariz., home has been the scene of numerous investigations into her Feb. 1 abduction.
Brandon Bell/Getty


Nancy Guthrie, Nest Camera

Masked intruder captured on camera in the early morning hours of Feb. 1, at Nancy Guthrie's Tucson, Ariz., home.




 
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  • #34,745
Will someone highlight the possible ring please? I can't see it.

Edit - saw it. Looks like cut off gloves under those outer gloves to me.

JMO.
 
  • #34,746

Nancy Guthrie's Captor Had a 'Target,' Says Sheriff: 'He Has Made It Tough'​



The sheriff at the forefront of the investigation into the abduction of Savannah Guthrie’s 84-year-old mother, Nancy Guthrie, believes the captor had a clear target in mind.

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In an aerial view, Nancy Guthrie's residence is seen on February 17, 2026 in Tucson, Arizona's residence is seen on February 17, 2026 in Tucson, Arizona

Nancy Guthrie's Tucson, Ariz., home has been the scene of numerous investigations into her Feb. 1 abduction.
Brandon Bell/Getty



Nancy Guthrie, Nest Camera

Masked intruder captured on camera in the early morning hours of Feb. 1, at Nancy Guthrie's Tucson, Ariz., home.




And that last comment about the ring is just one of many reasons online sleuths using their hive mind can be beneficial!
 
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  • #34,749
I think this is the coat. Rothco Special Ops Subdued Urban Digital Camo Softshell Jacket. The ultra reflective full zip gives it away as civilian wear. No military garb is going to have zippers that light up like that under IR camera sources. That's a safety feature for consumer goods.
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While this is possible, I think it's likely that the "camo" pattern was created by the methods used to enhance this very low-resolution photo.

I also think this is the same guy -- lantana man -- and the same jacket, which looks very different in the higher-resolution photos & video. In both cases, the use of an infrared camera may further confuse the issue.

JMO
 
  • #34,750
I just thought of something, I apologize if someone beat me and this has been discussed. Nancy's ring subscription was not being paid, correct? So, to most of us, that would mean it doesn't work, and record anymore. Someone close to Nancy would know that the ring, and security subscriptions weren't active. They wouldn't have been worried about them. Am I right? Am I missing something?
 
  • #34,751
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Will someone highlight the possible ring please? I can't see it.

Edit - saw it. Looks like cut off gloves under those outer gloves to me.

JMO.
 
  • #34,752
I think this is the coat. Rothco Special Ops Subdued Urban Digital Camo Softshell Jacket. The ultra reflective full zip gives it away as civilian wear. No military garb is going to have zippers that light up like that under IR camera sources. That's a safety feature for consumer goods.
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But is it available in the Walmart Kidnapping Department?
 
  • #34,753
I think this is the coat. Rothco Special Ops Subdued Urban Digital Camo Softshell Jacket. The ultra reflective full zip gives it away as civilian wear. No military garb is going to have zippers that light up like that under IR camera sources. That's a safety feature for consumer goods.
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The camo jacket you posted doesn’t have the dark horizontal band around the lower chest area.

JMO
 
  • #34,754
What you said about simply removing the door camera from inside the home is one reason of many that I had pause when people were adamant of family involvement.
The other was the man looking at the side of Nancy's porch for something to help obscure and/or remove the camera.
Another thing is Nancy's door, her neighbor said the man appeared to her to not be familiar with that type of secure screen door.
Family and friends would already know about those things.

Sorry for the tangent...
I don't think the man initially planned on removing that door camera because I don't think he thought it would be working.
Now this is working on the data that the camera was disconnected at 1:47 a.m. and he is seen at 2:12 a.m.
I think he might have already been inside and he was coming around to the front door to have someone open the front door for him to bring Nancy out.
Was he a lone wolf and was Nancy still conscious and alert albeit bleeding and he told her to come to the front door so he could bring her out to a waiting vehicle?
Or was it an acomplice of his who was already inside ready to help bring Nancy out?

The point being - he knew he had to remove that door camera the moment he walked up to her door and noticed it was still active. Active more than likely due to it being battery operated if disconnected or the power being cut - like yours.
If you look at a picture of the front porch you will notice the doorbell is located well to the right of the camera. This is important because this means the camera is probably battery operated and not powered by the 24V AC from the doorbell. If lantana man cut the power to the house he was probably surprised by an LED illuminated on the battery operated camera.
 
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I just thought of something, I apologize if someone beat me and this has been discussed. Nancy's ring subscription was not being paid, correct? So, to most of us, that would mean it doesn't work, and record anymore. Someone close to Nancy would know that the ring, and security subscriptions weren't active. They wouldn't have been worried about them. Am I right? Am I missing something?
I don’t think someone who knew that there was no subscription, and, like you say, wouldn’t have been worried about them, would have gone to the trouble of disabling and removing the camera, or trying to conceal themselves from it.

JMO
 
  • #34,757

i'm sure you guys discussed this at length but it's the first time i'm seeing it...

"Sources told The Times that authorities have no proof the person who authored the ransom note has Guthrie. But they also said that note felt credible because it included details about a specific damaged piece of property and the placement of an accessory in the home that had not been made public."

interesting that LE/media go bananas over a glove, literally flip-flop on forced entry/cameras/et cetera but until tonight, i've never seen this. damaged piece of property? a broken glass/a flipped over chair? what is the meaning of 'the placement of an accessory in the home that has not been made public'? a toothbrush in the toilet? a shoe in the garage?

perhaps this has no meaning, but it stands out to this wascally wabbit...
 
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LE said lights were on in the house though .. so the power was not cut it seems. Why would they turn the lights back on after they kidnapped her? Perhaps her daughter turned the lights on in the search and the sheriff is once again confused.
 
  • #34,760

i'm sure you guys discussed this at length but it's the first time i'm seeing it...

"Sources told The Times that authorities have no proof the person who authored the ransom note has Guthrie. But they also said that note felt credible because it included details about a specific damaged piece of property and the placement of an accessory in the home that had not been made public."

interesting that LE/media go bananas over a glove, literally flip-flop on forced entry/cameras/et cetera but until tonight, i've never seen this. damaged piece of property? a broken glass/a flipped over chair? what is the meaning of 'the placement of an accessory in the home that has not been made public'? a toothbrush in the toilet? a shoe in the garage?

perhaps this has no meaning, but it stands out to this wascally wabbit...
Rear floodlights. Described in the note as “destroyed”, according to Levin. Discussed extensively. The accessory was the Apple Watch.
 

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