AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[tkcrockett]

Moo, I think AI distorted the original image of the gun holster to look like that (like a strap hanging, instead of the holster outline).
jmo

i think you may be right. thanks

 

[BigCityAccountant]

would you also take a look at his other hand? When a colorized AI pic was posted it was obvious he was holding something that had a strap/string attached. What is it?

Since hubby is programmer and does AI images, I wouldn't put any stock in an AI image. There are all kinds of things AI can and does randomly generate, including 6 fingers, 3 legs, and a unicorn hat. For all we know AI could have placed him pulling a rabbit out of a hat.

 

[factseeking]

They’re treating the ransom letters like just another one of their gossip stories. The worst, most traumatic thing for NG and her family and it’s fodder for them. Honestly despicable.

moo

I felt this very strongly earlier on in the case and voiced it in here but then several people convinced me HL is running everything by the FBI and taking instruction from them. Thats the only thing keeping me from feeling they're horrific.

 

[Jenny9]

Sheriff says it was put there on the day she was reported missing

https://twitter.com/x/status/2023909355750650040

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Its interesting that they were able to do that with a house full of family and police but no one saw that?or heard the knocks i would assume at the door?spider sense on!

 

[cherryleaf]

Put yourself in the criminal mind. What would you do - at this point in time - with NG, assuming she is alive? Or in a criminal's mind: would she still be alive? Finally, why stay in Tucson?

I think it would be difficult to move her from place to place. It’s far too risky. Wherever she is I think she’s been there from the beginning. I have no comment on how a criminal would think but I will tell you this. IMO, I 100 percent wholeheartedly believe that Nancy is a lot tougher than is being reported. I don’t just mean physically. I mean mentally, emotionally, and spiritually. A single widowed mother does not raise a fighter pilot, a msm journalist, and a writer without a steel backbone and being fiercely strong. This woman is a battle axe with extreme emotional fortitude. She’s a momma bear. I do believe she’s alive and she’s not going to do or say ANYTHING that would endanger her children or family. I firmly believe this with all my heart.
IF whomever has her is trying to get to her children I don’t believe she would ever let it happen and I think the majority of mothers ( and fathers) feel this way. If the perp took her to get to SG , she’s not helping.
MOO

 

[1.618]

Right when she went missing the sheriff said she would need it within 24 hours

Moo

Many of the medications (presumably cardiac meds) are chronic medications. As in they are taken daily to stabilize patient physiology over time. While it is detrimental to be off of medications, there are few medications that sustain life like in 24 hour increments that in the outpatient world. If a medication is vital for sustaining life for even just 24 hours, the patient is typically in the ICU. She has a pacemaker. Which means that either it tells the heart when to beat all the time (continuous pacing) or it only does when the heart rate falls to a dangerously low level intermittently (called on demand pacing).

 

[Orion96007]

And if all of those possibilities were found to be true .. then what? What are you all implying? I keep seeing all these posts going in circles about this card but not seeing how it relates to the abduction of NG.
MOO

IMO, and for me the "card" is not important. What is important and has my spidey senses tingling is the old adage "The one who smelt it dealt it". This is just my own suspicion that someone quickly was jumping in to "help" or divert attention from themselves by helping or being concerned.... As I asked before, not knowing WHO this neighbor is, have they ever been concerned before or been worried about NG? It just feels strange to me and this is my own opinion and hoping I am not speaking for anyone else.... It very well may just be a concerned neighbor going above and beyond...

 

[tkcrockett]

Good catches. Might be interesting to try to figure these things out in case they are significant things. JMOO

sorry...i think it's the gun and holster. thanks

 

[tkcrockett]

Moo, I think AI distorted the original image of the gun holster to look like that (like a strap hanging, instead of the holster outline).
jmo

yep. i agree. thanks

 

[Forest_Wood]

I think it would be difficult to move her from place to place. It’s far too risky. Wherever she is I think she’s been there from the beginning. I have no comment on how a criminal would think but I will tell you this. IMO, I 100 percent wholeheartedly believe that Nancy is a lot tougher than is being reported. I don’t just mean physically. I mean mentally and spiritually. A single widowed mother does not raise a fighter pilot, a msm journalist, and a writer without a steel backbone and being fiercely strong. This woman is a battle axe with extreme emotional fortitude. She’s a momma bear. I do believe she’s alive and she’s not going to do or say ANYTHING that would endanger her children or family. I firmly believe this with all my heart.
IF whomever has her is trying to get to her children I don’t believe she would ever let it happen and I think the majority of mothers ( and fathers) feel this way. If the perp took her to get to SG , she’s not helping.
MOO

I agree it would have been very difficult to move her without her walking out on her own. It would have been a very slow process if she had walked out, which I don't believe she did. Has it ever been mentioned if her cane was missing also?
MOO

 

[Jenny9]

We don’t actually know when it was placed there. We only know the sheriff said the neighbors called APS the same day that NG was reported missing by the family and that it was there when BE did his video walk up to the front door which I believe was on the 3rd.

Having said that, if the sheriff is correct about when the call was placed, it is possible that APS arrived while LE was there and got permission from LE to put the card there or even asked a LE officer to place it there for them. It is also possible that APS put it there after LE released the house to the family but before BE did his vid. And it is also possible that APS arrived before the family did when they were called about NG missing the remote church service and called 911.

But they would call the family first?why wouldn't they call the police?Who would think to call aps first before 911?it doesn't make sense to me, moo

 

[Chainspell]

Daily Brian Entin update is out.

 

[Napoli]

This may have already been covered and missed by me, but we know NG took medication that she relied on. Do we know how long that she can possibly go without it?

Do we even know what it was, specifically? I have seen BP meds mentioned here. She has a pacemaker. I have seen blood thinners mentioned here. Is this speculation or was a medication list or even class of medications documented anywhere? moo

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Sheriff says it was put there on the day she was reported missing

https://twitter.com/x/status/2023909355750650040

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WHO IS THIS NEIGHBOR? Have they talked to the neighbor?

Speculation here--but did the perp call? Has the call been traced? Here's my reasoning for my speculation. If the perp thought NG wouldn't be noticed missing until well after the ransom was sent--how would you get LE to her house then? The perp wouldn't want to call LE directly, so what's the next best thing? Adult Protective Services?

....and I still go back to.....why didn't Debra M---dial 911 when she saw the blood on the porch?

Something just doesn't add up here for me.

 

[1.618]

I agree it would have been very difficult to move her without her walking out on her own. It would have been a very slow process if she had walked out, which I don't believe she did. Has it ever been mentioned if her cane was missing also?
MOO

If two people carried her out (one holding feet and one holding shoulders) she could be then loaded into a vehicle of some kind more easily. Lantana man seems like he's showing up as the ride service, dismantling camera, maybe waiting for the door to open from the inside and then helping an accomplice who came through a window or something carry her out after he backs a car up to the walkway. All speculation, but just seems like the most practical way to carry another human and all the stuff they brought it out of the house.

 

[tricia]

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[shonyakay]

Daily Brian Entin update is out.

That is so sweet all of the people leaving flowers and such for Nancy. Heartwarming. I hope she can come home and see all of them for herself.

 

[MistyWaters]

I can't seem to find where I read this... But from what I understood, SG recorded the Sunday morning services and NG and her friends would gather together and watch them at the friends house. When NG didn't show up, the friend (possibly neighbor, idk) called AG to check on her mom. Im assuming AG was called because she lives nearest to her mom. IMOO

Yes that’s my understanding. But I don’t recall the friend referred to as a neighbour. If she was, why wouldn’t she have checked on NG herself, rather than calling AG. I’d also assume AB lived closer to NG than the friend did.
JMO

 

[Jenny9]

Brilliant analysis. The timing of all of this matters, I think, and after their initial presser with the times, LE hasn't detailed too much to the public about their further thoughts of the times of everything.

If the suspeccts were really in the house for 41 minutes, that seems like quite a bit of time. Curious what they were doing .

And if all of those possibilities were found to be true .. then what? What are you all implying? I keep seeing all these posts going in circles about this card but not seeing how it relates to the abduction of NG.

Idk,but I would call 911 first and I wouldn't even know what aps was!

 

[Lebowski]

Brilliant analysis. The timing of all of this matters, I think, and after their initial presser with the times, LE hasn't detailed too much to the public about their further thoughts of the times of everything.

If the suspeccts were really in the house for 41 minutes, that seems like quite a bit of time. Curious what they were doing . . .

JMHO

bbm

if it's a burglary (most common break-in crime iirc), then the long dwell time is consistent with the perp(s) being after something specific that they had trouble finding or accessing. either hidden valuables or something in a safe.

other things are also consistent with this. bringing a weapon to a burglary is unusual, but makes sense if they planned to confront the victim (making it an armed robbery too). also, waking her up was probably avoidable, and they likely could have fled or overpowered her as needed even if they'd woken her accidentally. yet they woke her and took her with them. imo, this could have been because she wouldn't give them the combo to a safe and they needed to get out of there. people keep asking why lantana man came with a full backpack. it may have been full of tools to remove a safe from the wall, e.g.

all just my speculation based on published facts of the case and what I think I know of the statistics.