AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[kevin1000]

This case has me stumped on so many levels. Is this guy really that good or just lucky? Could someone with no criminal experience pull off this kind of crime or has he simply not been convicted in the U.S.? (Hence no CODIS hit). Multiple perpetrators? Lone wolf? What kind of person has the brains to do the crypto/undetectable ransom notes and the cruelty to hurt Nancy? Since there apparently isn't any footage of Nancy being taken out of her general area, should they be looking closer to home?

And lastly, if the genealogy comes up empty, how do they solve this thing? The reward hasn't worked. Appealing to the kidnappers' conscience hasn't worked. It feels like they're running out of options.

This case is making my brain hurt. JMO.

My brain is hurting too but this guy must be better than good to elude the FBI for this length of time. My bet is he has not been convicted and is a lone wolf. My guess is he also would not trust anyone else for such a scheme. I think he wants to hurt SG more than get the money. He obviously loves the attention. The cryto and undetectable ransom notes would indicate a computer expert maybe hacker. I think the familial DNA angle will frighten this guy so there are still options.

 

[emigrate]

I know a lot of people are convinced he looks like Porch Guy, but I think the face shape and lips are off. Granted, we all seem to have different opinions. Some people still think it's a woman. My spidey senses tell me the Range was the real focus rather than LD, and the key is whoever had possession/access to it at the time of the abduction. JMO.

Hi I am hundreds of pages behind and cannot catch up, can you point me in the direction of what "the Range" means and what LD means or how far back I have to hunt if you can't say? I cannot believe she has not been found this is so awful

 

[wibbleflea]

My brain is hurting too but this guy must be better than good to elude the FBI for this length of time. My bet is he has not been convicted and is a lone wolf. My guess is he also would not trust anyone else for such a scheme. I think he wants to hurt SG more than get the money. He obviously loves the attention. The cryto and undetectable ransom notes would indicate a computer expert maybe hacker. I think the familial DNA angle will frighten this guy so there are still options.

Agreed about the vehicle being a possible reason. People have reported being asked about a grey SUV (the Range Rover fits), the driver has a record, it was a recent purchase, and a previous associate (KD) with whom he’d once been arrested is now in custody, likely on something unrelated.

I’m surprised we’re hearing nothing publicly about the gem show angle.

 

[TheDinks]

Hi I am hundreds of pages behind and cannot catch up, can you point me in the direction of what "the Range" means and what LD means or how far back I have to hunt if you can't say? I cannot believe she has not been found this is so awful

Range is the RR car and LD the initials of person SWATTED and questioned along with a couple of others last Friday.

 

[LRinCA]

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[submarine7]

I know a lot of people are convinced he looks like Porch Guy, but I think the face shape and lips are off. Granted, we all seem to have different opinions. Some people still think it's a woman. My spidey senses tell me the Range was the real focus rather than LD, and the key is whoever had possession/access to it at the time of the abduction. JMO.

I agree the Range was the real target or main. I have a few theories on that, but the previous owner really resembles porch guy. I'm hung up on a seeming connection between those two. Former owner has already fought with people online which is weird and is conveniently out of the country.

 

[emigrate]

Range is the RR car and LD the initials of person SWATTED and questioned along with a couple of others last Friday.

Thank you, does swatted mean wrongly accused. I got as far as them holding a gentleman for several hours who did deliveries with his family and that is as far as I have made it. The people who all were "swatted" have they been officially ruled out then? Thanks for your helping me get caught up. This case is just moving so fast but still not seeming any closer to finding her.

 

[TheDinks]

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hmmm you didn't need to delete... your response was a lil more informative than mine. I think it's fine to see a couple of similar responses at the same time. It only gets a bit tedious when something is brought up that has been addressed, say, 6 (or 10) pages earlier and person has bothered to check to see if it has already been clarified. Even then, its kinda understandable when things are motoring along at top speed!

 

[TheDinks]

Thank you, does swatted mean wrongly accused. I got as far as them holding a gentleman for several hours who did deliveries with his family and that is as far as I have made it. The people who all were "swatted" have they been officially ruled out then? Thanks for your helping me get caught up. This case is just moving so fast but still not seeming any closer to finding her.

Sorry, I don't always use proper terms... and sometimes make up my own words!

Few days after Rio Rico Carlos was detained, the SWAT team raided a property 2 miles from Ms Guthrie's house where mother/son were questioned and nearby at restaurant car park the Range Rover was seized/impounded and LD questioned. They were released without charge.

People are still discussing one of the men as he kinda looks like the masked guy on porch and is a known crim. We don't really know if RR has been handed back to him as he might be staying at a different address to the one raised but it's thought IMO that RR is still with FBI.

 

[TIGER0822]

What is your reasoning for that i.e. not savvy? He was well concealed in his dress. He grabbed the lantana to cover the camera lens. That showed he was able to make do and it did work for him. He may or may not have left any DNA but it would appear whatever samples they have are not in CODIS. Therefore he has not been convicted of a felony. so, no record that shows he was a serious offender No vehicle has been identified. The police have had 1 or 2 raids and were, at this point, wrong. They can't even definitely discern if the ransom notes are authentic.

He used a bite light. Keeps his hands free. Dripping saliva all over? Where is it? He managed to overpower an 84 year old lady., reportedly somewhat ambulatorily impaired who has limited hearing and had her hearing aids out. Not a huge fete.

It would appear the only evidence they have is that she suffered some aggression as there was her blood at the scene.

He has a well known TV personality SG, pleading to him in Instagram videos which are broadcast on the internet...so no direct mailing to him. She seems to be responding to some script, as the several references from movies were obvious (TOMORROWLAND, Buffalo BILL and Silence of the LAMBS.

While many are quick to point out the shortcomings from LE, I see NOTHING, so far from the perp that makes me think he is sloppy. No one is invisible. We all exist. They can't find HIM OR NG. DNA may eventually track him down...or maybe not. He could be in some far away place by then that doesn't extradite to the USA, especially in a capital felony case, that uses the death penalty. (Arizona has the death penalty. ) He's been smart enough so far. 2 people missing. The perp and NG. No trail for either one of them, presently. Don't underestimate this guy! JMO

I agree. He was calm in the video. And clearly prepared. This is a high profile case, with huge resources and he has so far outsmarted the FBI and local LE. He / She will be caught, but had done a good job covering his tracks so far.

 

[SlimPickens]

What are your thoughts on the RR or LD? You can't deny he checks some boxes at first glance. I can't think of a reason they would have the car this long that doesn't indicate knowledge or guilt.

I don't think we even know that it's his car. We just know that he was driving it from what reports suggest. From the partially obstructed temporary tag that was shown in the media at the time of seizure, we can also deduce that it was probably recently purchased from an area dealer that appears to have still had it listed for sale at that time (sale would've been that recent, like only days prior). We won't really know what the RR has to do with anything until the warrants are unsealed. LE could've been looking at someone at the dealership who they think could have driven that car during the kidnapping, and so they seized it before it became too contaminated, etc.

Pictures I've seen of LD online seem to fit the general build, and his eyes are fairly unique and wide-ish like the person's in the mask. But to me it looks like the eyes are distorted a bit in a zoomed photo of the person in the mask, and from what looks to be a second inner latex (or "real") mask. So I don't really know that we can accurately gauge any facial features under the mask(s).

JMO.

 

[TIGER0822]

uh oh. maybe it's some one who had better LSAT scores than her but did not get into the law school of his choice.

i am leaning towards money!

 

[hopeprayer]

Sorry, I don't always use proper terms... and sometimes make up my own words!

Few days after Rio Rico Carlos was detained, the SWAT team raided a property 2 miles from Ms Guthrie's house where mother/son were questioned and nearby at restaurant car park the Range Rover was seized/impounded and LD questioned. They were released without charge.

People are still discussing one of the men as he kinda looks like the masked guy on porch and is a known crim. We don't really know if RR has been handed back to him as he might be staying at a different address to the one raised but it's thought IMO that RR is still with FBI.

I'm not sure if anyone's posted this link already, but I just happened to read this NYT article about last Friday's SWAT raid. It was enlightening as it says that LD's mom was home alone when investigators showed up with the search warrant. It sounds like she didn't know anything and had no info for the investigators, so she went to her next-door neighbor's house to wait while they searched.

So LD was detained at the traffic stop in the Range Rover and his mom was investigated at her home? Only 2 people? For some reason I recall people saying there were 3 people involved on Friday night - 2 people at home and one at the traffic stop.

Neighbor Recalls Investigators Searching Home Next Door in Guthrie Disappearance

David Curl, a retired lawyer, said the woman who lived there was distraught and did not know why investigators were focusing on her home.

www.nytimes.com

 

[LivvyL]

Do we know if Nancys car has been returned?
I keep wondering about the vehicle involved to remove Nancy and how she was taken away.
Could she have been moved in her own vehicle and then the car returned to the garage?
Does anyone think a garbage bin could have been used to take her away?

My theory is it’s a targeted attack against a vulnerable person and possible SA and that Nancy was taken to hide evidence. Or even taken for the same reason some children have been abducted from their homes and SA/murdered elsewhere.
I’m thinking a local peeping Tom type that escalated. Maybe?
None of the talking heads seem to discuss this motive but I think it’s a very real possibility.

 

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[jepop]

Yes it was thought that Moscow LE was not forthcoming with information. They were pretty tight lipped, even to this day. Nanos seems the opposite.

Moo, agree, the comparison with Moscow is not really sound. As you say the media didn't like that MPD were tight lipped. But MPD were protecting the integrity of a coordinated and professional multi- agency investigation. Jmo

Moo the situation here is rather different it seems; for a start the level of media involvement is huge and media are able to follow police around as they look into POIs. That never happened in Moscow and there were certainly many POIs to be looked into in the earliest days (though again, the quality of DNA evidence in NG case is not really known ATM? In Moscow, once the DNA profile was developed, that must have helped in the elimination process of POIs, along with info on a singular vehicle of interest within 10 days). Jmo

*Just a note on the IGG used in Idaho case after reading comments here and there citing Kohberger, to speculate on potential IGG as part of NG investigation.

The IGG process which lead to identifying Kohberger as a suspect took about a month IIRC; from when Othram commenced snp profiling of the unknown male profile (not in codis, not matched to existing POIs) until FBI concluded IGG using Othram's work after identifying Kohberger as a potential suspect and passed his name to MPD (19th Dec 2022).

Moo It was partially the quality (single source)and quantity of the DNA (enough to develop multiple profiles for different purposes) in addition to its location ( clearly could be inferred as related to the crime) that allowed IGG to commence quickly.

I think those factors will also come into play here. If LE and FBI are keeping tight lipped on what's happening with DNA so be it. But if they have connected an unknown profile to the crime and eliminated their POIs via swabbing, then I think if the quality and quantity is sufficient IGG becomes the next move. All things being equal Kohberger tells us it's possible to come back with a suspect for further investigation within a month with the right resources. Jmo based on following Idaho case and Court docs in detail.

 

[TheDinks]

I'm not sure if anyone's posted this link already, but I just happened to read this NYT article about last Friday's SWAT raid. It was enlightening as it says that LD's mom was home alone when investigators showed up with the search warrant. It sounds like she didn't know anything and had no info for the investigators, so she went to her next-door neighbor's house to wait while they searched.

So LD was detained at the traffic stop in the Range Rover and his mom was investigated at her home? Only 2 people? For some reason I recall people saying there were 3 people involved on Friday night - 2 people at home and one at the traffic stop.

Neighbor Recalls Investigators Searching Home Next Door in Guthrie Disappearance

David Curl, a retired lawyer, said the woman who lived there was distraught and did not know why investigators were focusing on her home.

www.nytimes.com

Oh that's interesting, thanks for that. The understanding of many was that the other son could've been at the house with mom while L out in the car. Reporters (incl BE) have gone to the door since and knocked but she ain't talkin'... I mean, I don't blame her, how horrifying must it have been.

I guess it goes to show...we all have 'stories' in our heads about how the VERY few pieces of the puzzle (that we know) fit... but a lot is speculation

 

[Kapua]

What are your thoughts on the RR or LD? You can't deny he checks some boxes at first glance. I can't think of a reason they would have the car this long that doesn't indicate knowledge or guilt.

Like you say, they've had the car for a long time. If it was my car, I'd be calling them every day to see if they were done with it. It's a point of curiosity for me. Earlier today, I saw the video wherein LD proclaimed his innocence. If he is innocent, and he very well may be, then I feel sorry for him having his criminal past splashed across screens everywhere. And I think I see a resemblance to Masked Guy, but there are probably hundreds of men who have similar features. But I'm cautious about going down this path. I remember another case (Molly Tibbett's) where everyone thought a particular man with a criminal past was to blame, and it turned out to be someone completely off everyone's radar screen. But I want to know what, if anything, they found in the Range Rover. MOO

EXCLUSIVE: Tucson felon confirmed as man detained, questioned and released in connection to Guthrie kidnapping case

Luke Daley's attorney says he has nothing to do with Nancy Guthrie's disappearance and hopes for her safe return.

www.12news.com

 

[flakesofsnow]

Perhaps the looking down and the looking to the left and the slouchy nature of the perp is because he was not wearing his glasses and could not see well.

 

[submarine7]

Oh that's interesting, thanks for that. The understanding of many was that the other son could've been at the house with mom while L out in the car. Reporters (incl BE) have gone to the door since and knocked but she ain't talkin'... I mean, I don't blame her, how horrifying must it have been.

I guess it goes to show...we all have 'stories' in our heads about how the VERY few pieces of the puzzle (that we know) fit... but a lot is speculation

That's my understanding. The older brother was home or at her home while LD went on a food run.

Have you seen the purported connection between LD and the Ranger's former owner? It's not direct but there. Really makes me wonder. But that could all be off...who knows? Not me.