AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[warp3dwing]

Asking for a friend? Kidding. I don’t know. Very sad.

Oh no! I've been rumbled!

Was just wondering if, geologically speaking, there are areas around Tucson with looser earth.

 

[Friday Fan]

Is there anywhere around Tucson that actually has easily diggable soil/earth to hide a body? I've heard that the desert surface is particularly difficult to penetrate.

There are thousands of square miles of brushy vegetation surrounding Tucson. Much of it is public land and it would require tons of manpower to search. There is no need to bury a body is an area that is unihabitated and covered with brush.

It's not unusual to find badly decayed bodies of migrants in these areas, Most have died of natural causes. This also happens in South Texas and we don't even have public lands. Bodies are found on private property here. Nobody is buried and the soil in the coastal plains is diggable.

Here's a random screen shot from Interstate 19.

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[GuyfromCanada]

FBI sources said this week that kidnapped Nancy Guthrie may be in Mexico, while the sheriff of Pima County, Arizona, claimed his team’s evidence puts her in Tucson.

It’s just one of many rifts between the local cops and the feds, which critics say is a major reason why little progress has been made in finding “Today” show co-host Savannah Guthrie’s 84-year-old mom, who was abducted from her home on Feb. 1.

“[The FBI] should have taken the case over within the first few days. We have been treating this as a kidnapping and the FBI is the premier agency to deal with kidnappings,” Aaron Cross, president of the Pima County Deputies Association, told The Post earlier this week.

More at Why Nancy Guthrie hasn’t been found — from cops’ early errors to DNA blunder

 

[warp3dwing]

Magnets on a telescopic tip are used to pick up ammo/bullet/shotgun cartridges at shooting ranges, bird shoots. Called a “cartridge collector” (solid brass or aluminum not magnetic ). Building trades use for spilled screws/nails.

Ah, very interesting. Thank you.

 

[connie9030]

So they provide these graphic details as leverage but STILL - no current proof of life. There has been ZERO proof of life since the point at which NG’s blood dripped down her front walkway.

Yeah, they could easily send a photo or a statement regarding something only SG knows. Because of the blood at the scene and not caring to take her meds with her, I am starting to think they unalived her at her house, put her in the trunk and dropped her somewhere then started one of those bitcoin scams. They weren't expected this thing to blow up like this. Where is Nancy?

 

[Mistermagoo]

"The department said a security camera is missing from the front of Guthrie's house."

Day 5 of search for Nancy Guthrie: 'We still believe Nancy is still out there'

The FBI is offering a reward of up to $50,000 for information leading to the recovery of Guthrie and/or the arrest and conviction of anyone involved in her disappearance.

www.knpr.org

Thank you. I knew that I read that but i swear that I also read that Nanos said that they turned the camera over to evidence team or something like that. I cannot seem to find that anywhere now so I guess I am crazy.

 

[Gunther Toody]

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Thanks for finding that. Terminology means everything.
Notice the FBI did not say "We agree"

 

[Diddian]

LE interviewed NG’s family members and surely interviewed her neighbors and close friends. I wonder whether NG recently picked up something valuable (to any bearer, like diamonds, valuable jewelry, gold bars or coins, silver) to take to a safe in her home - perhaps from her safe deposit box or perhaps from a dealer - and whether she shared that information with any family or friends or mentioned the errand or intent to any more casual associates (hairdresser, nail salon) or hired service people. Maybe, having recently had her 84th birthday, she planned to gift valuables to others dear to her so wanted to have these valuables on hand.

In such a scenario, the questions would be: did NG share any such plans with close friends or family who’ve informed LE? And who, of questionable character and criminal intent (and likely psychopathic tendencies) would have been in ANY position (spouse or relative of casual associate, or possibly even another client of a casual associate who shares such as gossip) to have learned that NG was going to have, at least temporarily, those valuables at her home?

 

[Skagirl]

Not all, leadless ones are dropped directly into the heart. Ones with leads also have leads that are risky to remove. IMO impossible to remove without an experienced EP and the right equipment / training for her type.

I just recently learned about this during my CPR renewal training-very cool technology! I would guess NG's is probably not that new, but who knows? JMO

 

[cady]

FBI sources said this week that kidnapped Nancy Guthrie may be in Mexico, while the sheriff of Pima County, Arizona, claimed his team’s evidence puts her in Tucson.

It’s just one of many rifts between the local cops and the feds, which critics say is a major reason why little progress has been made in finding “Today” show co-host Savannah Guthrie’s 84-year-old mom, who was abducted from her home on Feb. 1.

“[The FBI] should have taken the case over within the first few days. We have been treating this as a kidnapping and the FBI is the premier agency to deal with kidnappings,” Aaron Cross, president of the Pima County Deputies Association, told The Post earlier this week.

More at Why Nancy Guthrie hasn’t been found — from cops’ early errors to DNA blunder

This is an Arizona case, until further notice. jmo

 

[SMK777]

In the United States, a vast majority of missing adults are found very quickly, with roughly
70% to 76% located within the first 24 to 72 hours. Most cases are resolved within a week (85%), and less than 1% remain missing for longer than a month. The first 72 hours are critical, as the likelihood of finding the person decreases significantly after this window.
Key statistics and facts regarding missing adults in the U.S.:

• Rapid Resolution: Approximately 90% or more of all missing person cases are resolved within one month.
• Initial Hours: Roughly 76% of adults are found within 24 hours, and 86% are found within 2 days.
• Long-term Cases: Only about 3% of adults remain missing for longer than a week.
• The 72-Hour Rule: While often quoted, experts state there is no mandatory 24-hour waiting period to report a missing person; police can and should begin investigating immediately.

No-Body Homicide Cases: A Practical Approach | FBI: Law Enforcement Bulletin

A practical approach to addressing homicide cases where there is no body.

leb.fbi.gov

THANKS VERY MUCH for that information.

 

[emigrate]

There are thousands of square miles of brushy vegetation surrounding Tucson. Much of it is public land and it would require tons of manpower to search. There is no need to bury a body is an area is unihabitated and covered with brush.

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OMG I am shocked any crimes out that way ever get solved. That is scary. Such a beautiful place too. This is too much. How many people are out there never to be found. I think I am going to consider a very high security penthouse in a high rise when I retire. Can't break into my place because I will also have a full out panic room which I will sleep in. This case really has me thinking about the future and how I will feel safest.

 

[turaj]

No camera footage to even get a look at the car leaving the home that night.
Years ago voters voted to not activate cameras at main intersections....big mistake.

Red light cameras officially turned off

Voters banned the cameras as part of the election on Tuesday.

www.kold.com

 

[Jade]

I was wondering. Why haven't they showed us a video of her leaving or even a car leaving that night?

Or a car dropping her off after dinner even? Good grief

Right. Make it make sense. You would think on someones ring cam they would pick up something at least lol

I have no doubt there is more footage that we are not seeing possibly because of what it depicts and respect for Mrs. Guthrie and her families privacy.

Why would we need to see Mrs. Guthrie enter the garage anyway or a family members car leaving?

That in no way has an aspect in which the community could help with identifying the abductor which is why the stills and video have been released.

I don’t find it lol, imo.


all imo

 

[shonyakay]

Website for landfill. Receives solid waste from city of Tucson and Pima county. Open to commercial and residential haulers.

Los Reales Sustainability Campus

Los Reales Sustainability Campus serves the residents and businesses of Tucson and Pima County. Each day, approximately 2,300 tons of solid waste is brought to the regional landfill for disposal.

www.tucsonaz.gov

ETA: Closed Sundays. Open 6 am to 5 pm Monday through Saturday. So, if there, NOT dumped immediately on Sunday, Feb 1.

Thanks for that information.

She was last seen alive by someone outside of the family by the Uber driver around 5:30 p.m. on Saturday evening.

A family member says they last saw her when they dropped her off at home shortly before 10:00 p.m.

Then we see a suspicious man at her front door at 2:12 a.m. Sunday morning.

Would LE be able to determine an estimation of when she was discarded? I hate the thought.

Edited: To replace Door Dash driver (lol) with Uber driver.

 

[emigrate]

FBI sources said this week that kidnapped Nancy Guthrie may be in Mexico, while the sheriff of Pima County, Arizona, claimed his team’s evidence puts her in Tucson.

It’s just one of many rifts between the local cops and the feds, which critics say is a major reason why little progress has been made in finding “Today” show co-host Savannah Guthrie’s 84-year-old mom, who was abducted from her home on Feb. 1.

“[The FBI] should have taken the case over within the first few days. We have been treating this as a kidnapping and the FBI is the premier agency to deal with kidnappings,” Aaron Cross, president of the Pima County Deputies Association, told The Post earlier this week.

More at Why Nancy Guthrie hasn’t been found — from cops’ early errors to DNA blunder

Thank you for this, no wonder I can't keep up. Who do you all think should be handling this case at this point? If it turns out ransom notes were fake does it make it more back in the Sheriff's hands? It has just been so all over the place. The more eyes on it the better but there is that saying about too many cooks in the kitchen.

 

[SMK777]

 

[cait2007]

Or she didn't know it. My parents in their 80's have a safe, they lost the combination. If a perp broke in, they would not be able to give a perp the combination. Could explain the excess amount of time spent in the house having NG look for it, got impatient and hit her because they thought she was intentionally stalling.

One would think if they were after money or expensive items, that they would’ve taken jewelry or anything else they could get their hands on to make it worth it.
Leaving her there wounded would’ve been a liability to them being recognized. If they killed her and she fought back, it’s possible they felt it was more risky leaving her there, with potentially their dna on her.
I can’t fathom that this was just a kidnapping. They would’ve taken her medicine at the very least and have clear terms of what they want in return.

 

[shonyakay]

Thanks for finding that. Terminology means everything.
Notice the FBI did not say "We agree"

I agree they didn't say we agree but they also didn't say we have no comment.

The fact that the FBI spokesperson made the comment that they didn't have anything to add to that makes me believe that they don't have a problem with it.

 

[scandiamerican]

I was able to have a private conversation with a criminologist, which was especially nice since no one among my family or friends are into discussing this case except for my 13-year-old son. It was not a professional who is involved in this particular case, to be clear, but the person was able to answer some questions and correct me on some assumptions I had about criminal behavior and investigations (I admittedly say this as someone who typically can’t handle following true crime stuff). But this is a private individual and not someone who wants to be on the record as having been a resource in the case, and who is not following the details other than asking me questions about details in order to answer my questions. Can I share the thoughts/input under a ‘MOO’ sort of thing or is that considered speculative/unsourced, when I’m not stating the criminologist’s info?

Re: Conversation with a criminologist acquaintance who is NOT working this case: I did not mean to leave anyone in suspense; I asked if I could post and then my family was hit by the flu the next morning after a mod said I could post under MOO. I did take some notes but this was nearly a week ago now, so some parts of the case understanding may have shifted since that conversation, and if there are errors in accuracy, I am sure they are mine. All of this should be taken with a dose of JMO, etc.

Amidst the family illness, I’ve given up on trying to get it all out quickly, but I will post some in pieces.

I should also say anything is possible. Outliers exist. But we were discussing probabilities, not rare exceptions beyond this whole thing being a rare exception. As we say in my own field, first think horses, not zebras.

So my own understanding now, part 1:

Regarding the theory that Savannah had an obsessive stalker who went after her mom: Unlikely. In general, abducting her mom would be a very rare expression of that sort of obsession. If Savannah had a stalker like that, that person would have made increasingly intimate and extreme efforts at forms of contact with SG before trying to abduct someone, so that person would very much be on the LE radar. But the behavior after NG’s disappearance also does not fit that at all. The person would desperately want to communicate with Savannah directly and would feel compelled to tell her specific and probably very outlandish things. Instead, we have no direct communication with SG re: the abduction, random, etc.

What is much more possible re: SG is that someone local discovered there’s an accessible individual with a high-net-worth family member, making NG someone to target not because they care about SG other than her being a source of funds, but because NG is convenient to them, appears vulnerable on some research/recon, etc. That might be because someone mentioned to them a famous and successful ‘hometown girl’ whose mom still lives around here, or from Today Show coverage that included SG, etc.

And NG had lived 50 years in that house without being targeted, and without violent crime in her neighborhood, so it was not a focus as a possibility. So while we can all think in hindsight they should have made NG more secure in X, Y, or Z ways, NG was just living her life by her long-term standards of peaceful expectations, and people should be careful not to shame or blame her family, who are going through hell, for not anticipating this incredibly rare risk.

Again, MOO after the conversation, etc.

Will post more in the next day or two as I can.