• #36,961
--Traffic cams in Tuscon on main streets are DOT operated and do not record at all (per police clarification). No police cams or flock cams in the entire city. So no footage on nearby main roads.
--No street lights and traffic cams in the immediate neighborhood.
--Low light ordinance makes it pitch dark, and houses have privacy hedges/landscaping, set back so residential cameras do not record past their immediate home circle.
--NG's own cameras, no subscription, DIY type installs that did not prioritize security, no reach to street to record cars

It's a rare surveillance blind spot/perfect storm that complicates the case.

IMO a starry night is one of the most beautiful sights visible from Earth.

I’ve only been privileged to see it when I’ve traveled or visited friends who live in rural areas.

As a lifelong New Yorker, we typically see one or two stars, and on an exceptionally clear night, maybe three.

I love the notion of a planned community of darkness so that every night the starry sky is visible. I imagine this intentional darkness was established long before the onset of home doorbell cameras and all the other surveillance such as traffic cams.

I suppose it didn’t seem likely that an awful event like this would happen there, and that the lack of light would so compromise investigating the who, what and why of this attack. The when and the original where are known, but that’s it. We don’t know the whereabouts of Nancy now at all.

I’d have to say that forfeiting that luscious view feels more worth it to me now. I don’t feel “Big Brother” is watching me; instead I feel much more safe.

My favorite picture at MOMA is Van Gogh’s “The Starry Night,” which I’ve always found so bucolic. Now I am feeling that the deep and complete darkness can be sinister.

JMO of course.
 
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  • #36,962
Respectfully, I disagree. Some people have no common sense. I can totally see private searchers trespassing and possibly even entering storage buildings, etc. Plus, it is not always easy to tell whether a property is privately owned or just wilderness. JMO
While I agree with you, I wouldn't mind if people conduct a search on any of my property as long as they didn't break into any buildings. Usually search parties are organized, mapped with grids. If someone is searching without a group, that would still be OK, as long as they check with me first. JMO
 
  • #36,963
There has been suspicion that the roof was recently worked on.

Just adding 2 and 2, NG has been living in home for around 50 years. New roof, rewiring, etc.

It was on and off the market several times in 2007, then looks like another listing in 2024. It is not uncommon for a very longtime owner to put their home on the market and realize things need to be updated before it will sell. I have read a few posts indicating some work was done last year. Roofing and electrical, although that could be an error. If true, it would expose NG to people she normally would not engage with. I would expect that LE has already looked into that. MOO

 
  • #36,964
True, but if a bunch of people are out looking and accidentally stumble across her body, they could trample right through whatever evidence is nearby and make it useless.
That's a consideration, but if they do stumble across her body, and trample through evidence, isn't it better than the LE not conducting any search at all and LE not finding the body? I won't speak for anyone other than me, if someone I loved was missing for 3 weeks, I just want them found. JMO
 
  • #36,965
Couldn’t agree more. Saying a case is going cold after just 3 weeks is not even close to true in my opinion and does nothing helpful for us still interested in following it. Both the local Sheriff department and the FBI are still working (as far as we know) basically around the clock on this case and in no way are they anywhere close to giving up on finding Nancy, alive or not IMO.

Anyone who has been following missing cases for years and years will know that 3 weeks in is basically still the very beginning of the investigation process. LE is surely holding most of what they have close to their vests and is just putting out into the public the info that they think could possibly help find Nancy or the perp. I’m not giving up on Nancy yet. MOO
Very well said! People today are so impatient, living in a sound bite world. Well, the smart way to do things is often bit by bit, which takes time. They don't want to mis anything that might be the best clue, and many times the evidence can be spread out in many directions. LE needs to be allowed to do what they have been trained to do, which most pundits have Not.
 
  • #36,966
Respectfully, I disagree. Some people have no common sense. I can totally see private searchers trespassing and possibly even entering storage buildings, etc. Plus, it is not always easy to tell whether a property is privately owned or just wilderness. JMO

I can also see private searchers using drones to search a property from a distance.

Folks would suddenly get suspicious seeing a strange drone flying over their property.
 
  • #36,967
IMO a starry night is one of the most beautiful sights to see from Earth.

I’ve only been privileged to see it when I’ve traveled or visited friends who live in rural areas.

As a lifelong New Yorker, we typically see one or two stars, and on an exceptionally clear night, maybe three.

I love the notion of a planned community of darkness so that every night the starry sky is visible. I imagine this intentional darkness was established long before the onset of home doorbell cameras and all the other surveillance such as traffic cams.

I suppose it didn’t seem likely that an awful event like this would happen there, and that the lack of light would so compromise investigating the who, what and why of this attack. The when and the original where is known, but that’s it. We don’t know the whereabouts of Nancy now at all.

I’d have to say that forfeiting that luscious view feels more worth it to me now. I don’t feel “Big Brother” is watching me; instead I feel much more safe.

My favorite picture at MOMA is Van Gogh’s “The Starry Night,” which I’ve always found so bucolic. Now I am feeling that the deep and complete darkness can be sinister.

JMO of course.
I believe that even if there is an ordinance for darkness, that the homeowners need to have a lot of motion detection spotlights illuminating their property in case someone enters from the street. I know that 2 of NG spotlights were destroyed, but more spotlights are necessary in dark communities. I live rural, and the sky is magnificent, even with a motion detection spotlight installed when I exit or enter my home. JMO
 
  • #36,968
TMZ's promoting itself in the midst of a horrific situation. I find it revolting.

every news station does it - they go to commercials during breaks
 
  • #36,969
--Traffic cams in Tuscon on main streets are DOT operated and do not record at all (per police clarification). No police cams or flock cams in the entire city. So no footage on nearby main roads.
--No street lights and traffic cams in the immediate neighborhood.
--Low light ordinance makes it pitch dark, and houses have privacy hedges/landscaping, set back so residential cameras do not record past their immediate home circle.
--NG's own cameras, no subscription, DIY type installs that did not prioritize security, no reach to street to record cars

It's a rare surveillance blind spot/perfect storm that complicates the case.

deflocktucson.com
 
  • #36,970

Savannah Guthrie is a well-known TV personality, and the disappearance of her mother has garnered significant public attention and concern. The case also highlights the challenges families face when a loved one goes missing, and the importance of community support during such difficult times.

THE DETAILS​

According to reports, Nancy Guthrie was last seen at her home in Tucson on January 31. Savannah has been posting updates on Instagram, including a recent video where she pleaded with her followers to help "bring her home." Savannah's Today show co-stars have expressed their support and belief that Nancy will be found.

 
  • #36,971
Is it normal to call APS instead of the police? I’ve been involved in a couple of wellness checks, and the police were called both times. Calling an elderly service never entered our minds.
IMO, it's whatever is normal in your area. And it would depend on the person calling. Some people would call everyone. But the advantage of a APS report is that it's now in someone's hands that has to try X, Y, Z, etc or they cannot close the case. IIRC, if APS believes a person is in immediate, severe danger (as in a health crisis), they can call police, who may then enter the home. As I remember it. And it likely varies from state to state.
 
  • #36,972
I have no clue if he's an accepted source here but I find him to be incredibly rude in the rare live feed I've listened to and will not watch any of his videos.

IMO
His lives are definitely a mess of ego filled rants and ridicule however I’ll give him credit for his mapping and graphic skills, even then the volume has to barely audible
 
  • #36,973
Is it normal to call APS instead of the police? I’ve been involved in a couple of wellness checks, and the police were called both times. Calling an elderly service never entered our minds.
In my state, APS is for when you think someone is being abused, neglected or scammed. LE wellness check is when no one is answering and you're concerned they may be injured or sick. In my experience LE take regular wellness checks seriously. They should have noticed the blood outside the door and made sure no one was inside, injured or ill. One an medical emergency or death was ruled out, they should have called for detectives based on what they could see. IMO
 
  • #36,974
IMO a starry night is one of the most beautiful sights to see from Earth.

I’ve only been privileged to see it when I’ve traveled or visited friends who live in rural areas.

As a lifelong New Yorker, we typically see one or two stars, and on an exceptionally clear night, maybe three.

I love the notion of a planned community of darkness so that every night the starry sky is visible. I imagine this intentional darkness was established long before the onset of home doorbell cameras and all the other surveillance such as traffic cams.

I suppose it didn’t seem likely that an awful event like this would happen there, and that the lack of light would so compromise investigating the who, what and why of this attack. The when and the original where is known, but that’s it. We don’t know the whereabouts of Nancy now at all.

I’d have to say that forfeiting that luscious view feels more worth it to me now. I don’t feel “Big Brother” is watching me; instead I feel much more safe.

My favorite picture at MOMA is Van Gogh’s “The Starry Night,” which I’ve always found so bucolic. Now I am feeling that the deep and complete darkness can be sinister.

JMO of course.
It's definitely different than city life for sure. When I was a teenager, I volunteered to be a camp counselor for a couple weeks in the mountains of NJ, and I was amazed and wonderstruck, as looking to the night sky, all I saw were hundreds, thousands of shooting stars! If I hadn't seen it myself, I probably wouldn't have believed it. We need to save those open spaces for future generations. It's heartbreaking to see so much taken away in the name of 'progress'. Beam me back to the '70s Scotty, if even for a day...
 
  • #36,975
every news station does it - they go to commercials during breaks
I agree with Periwinkle, and many retired LE have been saying the same.
 
  • #36,976
I believe that even if there is an ordinance for darkness, that the homeowners need to have a lot of motion detection spotlights illuminating their property in case someone enters from the street. I know that 2 of NG spotlights were destroyed, but more spotlights are necessary in dark communities. I live rural, and the sky is magnificent, even with a motion detection spotlight installed when I exit or enter my home. JMO
do we know if NG's spotlights were destroyed the night of her abduction or prior?
 
  • #36,977
Hadn't heard about the shovel.
Gray Hughs was an accepted source here but I seem to remember that having changed. Anyone know?
Modnote: As far as I can see, still approved.
 
  • #36,978

Couldn’t agree more. Saying a case is going cold after just 3 weeks is not even close to true in my opinion and does nothing helpful for us still interested in following it. Both the local Sheriff department and the FBI are still working (as far as we know) basically around the clock on this case and in no way are they anywhere close to giving up on finding Nancy, alive or not IMO.

Anyone who has been following missing cases for years and years will know that 3 weeks in is basically still the very beginning of the investigation process. LE is surely holding most of what they have close to their vests and is just putting out into the public the info that they think could possibly help find Nancy or the perp. I’m not giving up on Nancy yet. MOO
NG simply doesn't have time left. Usually missing "live" people are found within days. NG is an 84 yr old woman who needs medication (as stated within 24 hours). How much time does she have left? 3 weeks, 3 months? I was not following this case for for anything other than hope that she would soon be found. Yes, in moo, the case is going cold. JMO
 
  • #36,979
do we know if NG's spotlights were destroyed the night of her abduction or prior?
As far as I know, we don't know when they were destroyed. JMO
 
  • #36,980
I know what you are referring to with the blurring... however, the house is not blurred on street view, which means it wasn't requested to be blurred by anyone.
I know, I’m just suggesting that maybe the family asked that her house not come up in the search, so it defaults to the neighbors. No idea, other than that, though.
 

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