• #36,961
--Traffic cams in Tuscon on main streets are DOT operated and do not record at all (per police clarification). No police cams or flock cams in the entire city. So no footage on nearby main roads.
--No street lights and traffic cams in the immediate neighborhood.
--Low light ordinance makes it pitch dark, and houses have privacy hedges/landscaping, set back so residential cameras do not record past their immediate home circle.
--NG's own cameras, no subscription, DIY type installs that did not prioritize security, no reach to street to record cars

It's a rare surveillance blind spot/perfect storm that complicates the case.

deflocktucson.com
 
  • #36,962

Savannah Guthrie is a well-known TV personality, and the disappearance of her mother has garnered significant public attention and concern. The case also highlights the challenges families face when a loved one goes missing, and the importance of community support during such difficult times.

THE DETAILS​

According to reports, Nancy Guthrie was last seen at her home in Tucson on January 31. Savannah has been posting updates on Instagram, including a recent video where she pleaded with her followers to help "bring her home." Savannah's Today show co-stars have expressed their support and belief that Nancy will be found.

 
  • #36,963
Is it normal to call APS instead of the police? I’ve been involved in a couple of wellness checks, and the police were called both times. Calling an elderly service never entered our minds.
IMO, it's whatever is normal in your area. And it would depend on the person calling. Some people would call everyone. But the advantage of a APS report is that it's now in someone's hands that has to try X, Y, Z, etc or they cannot close the case. IIRC, if APS believes a person is in immediate, severe danger (as in a health crisis), they can call police, who may then enter the home. As I remember it. And it likely varies from state to state.
 
  • #36,964
I have no clue if he's an accepted source here but I find him to be incredibly rude in the rare live feed I've listened to and will not watch any of his videos.

IMO
His lives are definitely a mess of ego filled rants and ridicule however I’ll give him credit for his mapping and graphic skills, even then the volume has to barely audible
 
  • #36,965
Is it normal to call APS instead of the police? I’ve been involved in a couple of wellness checks, and the police were called both times. Calling an elderly service never entered our minds.
In my state, APS is for when you think someone is being abused, neglected or scammed. LE wellness check is when no one is answering and you're concerned they may be injured or sick. In my experience LE take regular wellness checks seriously. They should have noticed the blood outside the door and made sure no one was inside, injured or ill. One an medical emergency or death was ruled out, they should have called for detectives based on what they could see. IMO
 
  • #36,966
IMO a starry night is one of the most beautiful sights to see from Earth.

I’ve only been privileged to see it when I’ve traveled or visited friends who live in rural areas.

As a lifelong New Yorker, we typically see one or two stars, and on an exceptionally clear night, maybe three.

I love the notion of a planned community of darkness so that every night the starry sky is visible. I imagine this intentional darkness was established long before the onset of home doorbell cameras and all the other surveillance such as traffic cams.

I suppose it didn’t seem likely that an awful event like this would happen there, and that the lack of light would so compromise investigating the who, what and why of this attack. The when and the original where is known, but that’s it. We don’t know the whereabouts of Nancy now at all.

I’d have to say that forfeiting that luscious view feels more worth it to me now. I don’t feel “Big Brother” is watching me; instead I feel much more safe.

My favorite picture at MOMA is Van Gogh’s “The Starry Night,” which I’ve always found so bucolic. Now I am feeling that the deep and complete darkness can be sinister.

JMO of course.
It's definitely different than city life for sure. When I was a teenager, I volunteered to be a camp counselor for a couple weeks in the mountains of NJ, and I was amazed and wonderstruck, as looking to the night sky, all I saw were hundreds, thousands of shooting stars! If I hadn't seen it myself, I probably wouldn't have believed it. We need to save those open spaces for future generations. It's heartbreaking to see so much taken away in the name of 'progress'. Beam me back to the '70s Scotty, if even for a day...
 
  • #36,967
every news station does it - they go to commercials during breaks
I agree with Periwinkle, and many retired LE have been saying the same.
 
  • #36,968
I believe that even if there is an ordinance for darkness, that the homeowners need to have a lot of motion detection spotlights illuminating their property in case someone enters from the street. I know that 2 of NG spotlights were destroyed, but more spotlights are necessary in dark communities. I live rural, and the sky is magnificent, even with a motion detection spotlight installed when I exit or enter my home. JMO
do we know if NG's spotlights were destroyed the night of her abduction or prior?
 
  • #36,969
Hadn't heard about the shovel.
Gray Hughs was an accepted source here but I seem to remember that having changed. Anyone know?
Modnote: As far as I can see, still approved.
 
  • #36,970

Couldn’t agree more. Saying a case is going cold after just 3 weeks is not even close to true in my opinion and does nothing helpful for us still interested in following it. Both the local Sheriff department and the FBI are still working (as far as we know) basically around the clock on this case and in no way are they anywhere close to giving up on finding Nancy, alive or not IMO.

Anyone who has been following missing cases for years and years will know that 3 weeks in is basically still the very beginning of the investigation process. LE is surely holding most of what they have close to their vests and is just putting out into the public the info that they think could possibly help find Nancy or the perp. I’m not giving up on Nancy yet. MOO
NG simply doesn't have time left. Usually missing "live" people are found within days. NG is an 84 yr old woman who needs medication (as stated within 24 hours). How much time does she have left? 3 weeks, 3 months? I was not following this case for for anything other than hope that she would soon be found. Yes, in moo, the case is going cold. JMO
 
  • #36,971
do we know if NG's spotlights were destroyed the night of her abduction or prior?
As far as I know, we don't know when they were destroyed. JMO
 
  • #36,972
I know what you are referring to with the blurring... however, the house is not blurred on street view, which means it wasn't requested to be blurred by anyone.
I know, I’m just suggesting that maybe the family asked that her house not come up in the search, so it defaults to the neighbors. No idea, other than that, though.
 
  • #36,973
do we know if NG's spotlights were destroyed the night of her abduction or prior?
From what I heard, they weren't sure. Some say that if this was planned ahead, it may have happened then. Not sure it matters much now, but I'm sure they checked for prints/DNA, etc. MOO
 
  • #36,974
Just adding 2 and 2, NG has been living in home for around 50 years. New roof, rewiring, etc.

It was on and off the market several times in 2007, then looks like another listing in 2024. It is not uncommon for a very longtime owner to put their home on the market and realize things need to be updated before it will sell. I have read a few posts indicating some work was done last year. Roofing and electrical, although that could be an error. If true, it would expose NG to people she normally would not engage with. I would expect that LE has already looked into that. MOO


You can see in all the drone videos how white her roof is. A neighbor that tipped about the other camera on the casita, said it was because she recently had the roofs re-surfaced.

We know she had regular maintenance coming and going (pool guys, landscapers, and some of them have been DNA swabbed per police). Surely she would have had other workers and I've said many times workers essentially case your home every time they are there--see every entry, every camera, every alarm, dog, valuables in your home, what room you go to when you retrieve their payment, if your neighbors can see your house, etc. etc. If not directly they could have talked or made a "referral".
 
  • #36,975
Maybe it's not so mysterious at all. Maybe the neighbor thought APS might have information ON NG. Same way people call friends, family, hospitals. One place to "look" for NG. And maybe it's APS policy that, if a call is made, they're obligated to make contact, hence a home visit.

JMO
 
  • #36,976
NG simply doesn't have time left. Usually missing "live" people are found within days. NG is an 84 yr old woman who needs medication (as stated within 24 hours). How much time does she have left? 3 weeks, 3 months? I was not following this case for for anything other than hope that she would soon be found. Yes, in moo, the case is going cold. JMO
I personally don’t think she ever left her home alive, and if she did I doubt she was alive much longer than a day or maybe two. That’s completely my opinion. However, that has absolutely nothing to do with the case being “cold” or not. Just because in your opinion she is no longer alive does not mean that the police are doing anything less to keep looking for her and figuring out what happened to her and who is responsible. MOO

Maybe there is a misunderstanding here what a “cold case” actually is, so here is a definition, “Any homicide or missing persons case in which all investigative leads known to the investigating agency have been exhausted. These cases need not be inactive for any fixed period of time so long as local law enforcement agencies have investigated all evidentiary leads to the fullest extent practicable.”

 
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  • #36,977
--Traffic cams in Tuscon on main streets are DOT operated and do not record at all (per police clarification). No police cams or flock cams in the entire city. So no footage on nearby main roads.
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This is so depressing :( . I've been wondering why why why haven't they been able to find vehicles that were on the road at that hour coming out of her neighborhood. I know there's more than one exit but there couldn't have been that many people out at that time. So this is why - no traffic cams that record in the Tuscon area. I appreciate you sharing this info so I can quit looking for an explanation.
 
  • #36,978
His lives are definitely a mess of ego filled rants and ridicule however I’ll give him credit for his mapping and graphic skills, even then the volume has to barely audible

His podcasts can be informative and objective, but his live vids.. I'll just stop at that before I get myself in trouble. LOL

JMO
 
  • #36,979
I can also see private searchers using drones to search a property from a distance.

Folks would suddenly get suspicious seeing a strange drone flying over their property.
In a case of a missing couple from my state - they were only found by a drone. They were elderly, and lost direction when it became dark. Search parties were sent out, but after a week they finally found them near their car on a deserted road. I live rural, so there is always something flying over my property, helicopter, private plane etc, I don't mind. JMO
 
  • #36,980
Maybe it's not so mysterious at all. Maybe the neighbor thought APS might have information ON NG. Same way people call friends, family, hospitals. One place to "look" for NG. And maybe it's APS policy that, if a call is made, they're obligated to make contact, hence a home visit.

JMO
Many people still retire to Arizona for the climate, at least from NY and NJ areas. Someone said many older/elderly live in the area, and often, when they get a call about a missing person, they are found wandering, or just forgot to tell someone where they were going, but this area has never seen anything like this.
 

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