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This group has what seems to be an amazing record when it comes to finding missing people in the desert.



Madres Buscadoras de Sonora - Known in English as the Searching Mothers of Sonora

"...the group was founded in 2019 to search for tens of thousands of missing people across Mexico. In 2021, members uncovered more than 20 bodies in clandestine graves near Hermosillo and had previously located at least 42 bodies near Puerto Peñasco, according to past reporting."

 
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I feel sorry for this man. He seems honest and innocent. I wonder how LE got tipped off about him.
MOO
An angry ex or a stupid prank gone terribly wrong?

Amateur opinion and speculation
 
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Why wouldn't search parties be welcome because the sheriff isn't doing them?
i get why not a good idea on private property but on public land should not be an issue.
 
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Ok so I’m a burglar going to steal gems. Instead I find an old lady in her bed. So I kidnap her. Doesn’t make much sense. Even if he accidentally kills her there is no reason to cart her body out
Exactly. This was premeditated and targeted.

Amateur opinion and speculation
 
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the hell is he smiling about, that is a weird flex a lady is still missing, read the room guy
Nerves. I grin like a loon when under extreme pressure, so I get it.

Amateur opinion and speculation
 
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The other was CP, driving a Nissan Rogue. (Link – not sure if Good Morning America is allowed.)

There’s a longish (12-minute) post-release interview with Ford Hatchett, in which CP is accompanied by his lawyer.

CP appears very traumatized, IMO—the swallowing, the gulps of air. It helps me understand, as a new member, why the rules are so strict in this forum as to what is said about POIs and suspects.
 
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Am I losing my mind? Didn't they announce the DNA was mixed yesterday or the day before? I'm sure I remember CeCe talking on NBC about mixed DNA being common where there had been a violent incident. The way Brian is reporting it sounds like it's a "new" snag. Thank you for posting the video!

From interview aired on NBC Saturday 2/21:

Nanos said the samples are mixed, meaning they contain DNA from more than one person, making it harder to run through national databases.

"Our lab tells us that there are challenges with it," Nanos said of the Florida lab his department is using. "The technology is moving so fast and in such a frenzy that they think some of this stuff will resolve itself just in a matter of weeks, months, or maybe a year."

 
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A video is not showing up for me. Do you have a direct link that you could share? Please and Thank you.
Brian Entin’s special on News Nation TV just ran tonight at 8p ET. It may not get posted online immediately or at all. It is available now but may have some limitations if you aren’t a NN subscriber. Sometimes I can only get the audio. JMO

Added: https://www.newsnationnow.com/video...a-of-yellow-ribbons-newsnation-prime/11544065

 
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CP appears very traumatized, IMO—the swallowing, the gulps of air. It helps me understand, as a new member, why the rules are so strict in this forum as to what is said about POIs and suspects.
Well Carlos is clearly angling for a lawsuit/settlement. The minute he was cleared he and his family had been giving interviews about his property being damaged and how his detention was "unfair" and he then got a lawyer.
 
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I would say it's an assumption that AG would call her mother to ask her to take an Uber. Perhaps, NG offered to take an Uber to go to AG's house to maintain her independence. Who knows? Why are we even delving into conjectures about family dynamics?

As far as I'm concerned, LE has cleared the Guthrie family, and that's where it stands. I don't think it's fair to try to find a fifth leg on a cat just because it's a slow news night. Everyone is frustrated, and NG's entire family isn't sitting around having fun while this is unfolding.

  • They have been victims of a crime.
  • Their mother might be dead and her body can't be found.
  • Their mother might be alive and suffering.
  • Perfect strangers feel completely comfortable dissecting presence, absence, silence, words just because SG is a journalist and a public figure.
  • Every time the phone rings they have to hold their breath waiting to see if there are any news.
These are adult children of an elderly woman who has been abducted and suffered an act of violence in her home. She's disappeared. She might never be found. They have to deal with this as her children, but also as the parents of her grandchildren and with the whole world watching.

Can we PLEASE, for the love of whatever it is each and every one of us believes in, stop speculating about the family? Put yourselves in their shoes for a second.

Imagine that once (in the most banal way) you did something to a parent, whether it's tell them to go to CVS themselves, or take an Uber, or not call until after 9 a.m. because you want to sleep in, or not answer the phone because you were just not in the mood, and then...Lord help us...something happens to that parent and the whole world starts speculating about how crappy you were to them and maybe you had something to do with what has happened.

My mother has been dead, of natural causes, for nearly ten years, and I still torture myself about the times I rolled my eyes at her chatter. Do we REALLY think that her children are not completely floored by the little things they did/didn't do while NG is missing?

These people, famous though they may be, are dealing with their mother's disappearance, and 100% guaranteed they have revisited every what if ad nauseam...all while the whole world is watching. There is not a bit of peace available to them right now, and it's heartbreaking.
What an eloquent post! Thank you for sharing!

I'm perplexed insinuations related to the Uber are coming up again since the family has been cleared. The Pima County Sheriff's Office established early on that NG took a rideshare to her daughter's house. Why she did is irrelevant here.
 
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I feel sorry for this man. He seems honest and innocent. I wonder how LE got tipped off about him.
MOO

It's thought that during FBI's digital forensic investigations that Carlos' phone was identified as being in close proximity to Ms Guthrie's house. Maybe this info coincided with a tip and/or other potential evidence that lead to the sealed Affidavit in order to get warrant.
 
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i get why not a good idea on private property but on public land should not be an issue.
I don't see how LE could stop a search on public land. (imo/jmo)

In Arizona, and perhaps other places, people can camp on BLM land.
 
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Ok so I’m a burglar going to steal gems. Instead I find an old lady in her bed. So I kidnap her. Doesn’t make much sense. Even if he accidentally kills her there is no reason to cart her body out
What if you are running around the house for 41 minutes screaming 'where are the gems?!' and she keeps saying 'what gems?! I don't have gems' and then you threaten to harm her unless she shows you where the gems are and she says, 'wait, my daughter has money- don't hurt me - she will pay you!' ... just one theory of how it could've gone down.
 
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Have there been other unsolved disappearances of elderly people in the area?
Hello folks...new here. I used to post on the EARONS forum. Got away from this fascinating stuff for a while but...can't stay away.
Regarding Nancy Guthrie...

My instinctive thoughts are:
1. Not a bungled burglary.
2. Not a ransom situation
3. Not a revenge on the family or the celebrity daughter.

This is, I believe, was a case of an offender with severe psychosexual issues, whose preferred victim(s) is an elderly woman. Nancy led a pretty open life. She was easy to find and surveil. She was incredibly vulnerable.

So on a night of a full moon, he struck. More accurately, he and his submissive sidekick (and likely) sometime sexual partner struck. (Partner probably a very dependent submissive male.)

The time within the house was the dominant partner doing his thing. Once completed...they could not leave a human with his DNA. So they exited with her. And no, Nancy is not with us.

Such offenders are not unknown...there was a guy in Philly a few years ago who selected elderly females.

I'm sorry to write these things-but they make sense to me and explain a lot of why nothing has turned up.

I hope I'm wrong. But I "knew" long before EAR was arrested that he was a cop, and then, a former cop. Based to a great extent on his ammunition selection.

I "knew" in 2004 that BTK was a local code enforcement officer. It just made sense to me.

Has this subject done this or something similar before? Almost certainly. What we know of the crime shows too much complexity and preparation for a first timer.

Will he (they) be caught? Probably. Eventually.

I would suggest that the bodies of any young men in Arizona who suffered a violent death in the near future be examined as a possible reference point to this crime. Tracing their network of acquaintances may lead to the dominant. Why do I say this? Partners, even dependent/submissive ones get antsy. And the dominant one would take care of business.

I hope I am wrong.

God bless her family and all who loved her...

Totally agree, this is 100% what I believe happened as well.
Immediately when I saw the footage, I got the vibe that this is what happened. Can't really explain why, just a horrible gut feeling.
What a terrible end for such a nice lady.
MOO
 
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i get why not a good idea on private property but on public land should not be an issue.
I think, perhaps, that that was the issue: (Yahoo link)

“Guadalupe Trejo -- one of the moms searching in Tucson, Arizona, on behalf of the organization -- tells us ... she's been combing the terrain outside Nancy's house, with 2 other moms still on the way.”

(^Bolded by me)

And, in this video, it does look like the group was right around the house.
 
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Ok so I’m a burglar going to steal gems. Instead I find an old lady in her bed. So I kidnap her. Doesn’t make much sense. Even if he accidentally kills her there is no reason to cart her body out
Plus, stealing gems (which most are not really valuable) does not provide fast cash so doesn't seem practical.
 
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Hello folks...new here. I used to post on the EARONS forum. Got away from this fascinating stuff for a while but...can't stay away.
Regarding Nancy Guthrie...

My instinctive thoughts are:
1. Not a bungled burglary.
2. Not a ransom situation
3. Not a revenge on the family or the celebrity daughter.

This is, I believe, was a case of an offender with severe psychosexual issues, whose preferred victim(s) is an elderly woman. Nancy led a pretty open life. She was easy to find and surveil. She was incredibly vulnerable.

So on a night of a full moon, he struck. More accurately, he and his submissive sidekick (and likely) sometime sexual partner struck. (Partner probably a very dependent submissive male.)

The time within the house was the dominant partner doing his thing. Once completed...they could not leave a human with his DNA. So they exited with her. And no, Nancy is not with us.

Such offenders are not unknown...there was a guy in Philly a few years ago who selected elderly females.

I'm sorry to write these things-but they make sense to me and explain a lot of why nothing has turned up.

I hope I'm wrong. But I "knew" long before EAR was arrested that he was a cop, and then, a former cop. Based to a great extent on his ammunition selection.

I "knew" in 2004 that BTK was a local code enforcement officer. It just made sense to me.

Has this subject done this or something similar before? Almost certainly. What we know of the crime shows too much complexity and preparation for a first timer.

Will he (they) be caught? Probably. Eventually.

I would suggest that the bodies of any young men in Arizona who suffered a violent death in the near future be examined as a possible reference point to this crime. Tracing their network of acquaintances may lead to the dominant. Why do I say this? Partners, even dependent/submissive ones get antsy. And the dominant one would take care of business.

I hope I am wrong.

God bless her family and all who loved her...
A sexual assault? What does everyone think? It is a possibility although my mind doesn't want to go there
 

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