AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[303gmf]

I wonder why someone would want to own desert land? Not my idea of a good investment.

Check into development in and around Phoenix or Tucson!
Edited to add Henderson, Nevada

 

[AggieLou]

What still strikes me as completely implausible is an 84 yo woman answering her front door after 1:30 a.m. Even if the suspect was banging on it - even more reason not to answer it. I would imagine if the noise woke her up, she would be frightened and check her phone.
~moo~

Me too. I'd call 911. Wondering if she may have some early scattered episodes of oncoming dementia. I was caretaker for my dad for a time until his became pretty unmanageable for one person 24/7. It also was said here the house was up for sale in the past year or two. Maybe family has concerns not made public. MOO
We just don't know how a person or persons entered the house. I know we likely don't even know 10% of what's going on in this case or what LE has. Everything is just guessing at this point.
Again only MOO

 

[AggieLou]

I wonder why someone would want to own desert land? Not my idea of a good investment.

For an investment as it's a favored retirement state. To retire themselves or speculate land will increase in value. Also people with different health issues relocate because of the climate. Such as respiratory problems

 

[LRinCA]

This is a general question for the group. Would you have suspicions if you noted a reporter who had referred to Nancy in the past tense (i.e. she "was" vs. "is) - more than once - during an interview that took place on February 2nd?

Wondering if I stand alone in thinking that's kind of bizarre, especially so early on?

I'm curious if there are instances of the reporter referring to NG since February 2nd and if the same use of past tense was present.

 

[Shanz]

Since Nancy's death can't be proven at this time, seems like it would take quite some time for any benefits to be available.

Well, if benefit from her death was the motive it should have been looked at. I just keep thinking how Jon Benet would not get justice because her murder was masked with a kidnapping.

 

[LRinCA]

I wonder why someone would want to own desert land? Not my idea of a good investment.

One big thing that comes to mind is data centers, AI or not.

Also, Bill Gates decided to buy an enormous chunk of the desert for a city he envisioned in the future. The only problem is this: water rights.

https://en.innovando.news/Belmont-Smart-City-California/#:~:text=In%20the%20West%20Valley%2C%20within,around%20technology%2C%20sustainability%20and%20innovation.

 

[VeronicaVaughn]

I'm curious if there are instances of the reporter referring to NG since February 2nd and if the same use of past tense was present.

Great question. I'll take a look and see what I can find.

 

[LRinCA]

Great question. I'll take a look and see what I can find.

It would be interesting to see if this reporter "caught" himself/herself in future coverage. (JMO/MOO)

 

[maskedwoman]

This is a general question for the group. Would you have suspicions if you noted a reporter who had referred to Nancy in the past tense (i.e. she "was" vs. "is) - more than once - during an interview that took place on February 2nd?

Wondering if I stand alone in thinking that's kind of bizarre, especially so early on?

I think it's certainly insensitive, given that SG is a colleague.

 

[The Missing Canoe]

me too ... and she is not muscle so I think that would be a factor

A muscular person would be easier to carry than a flabby one—even if the weight is the same, the distribution is more compact. And yes, a 180lb man (some of them) could certainly handle 150. IMO based on a previous life as a powerlifter and “strongman” (as in the sport).

EBM

 

[LRinCA]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2025688862903943415

 

[rebel123]

I respectfully disagree.

I'm not saying it doesn't go on. But you a lot of law enforcement personnel working on this case (400). There is nothing out there to say this has happened. I'm happy for you to disagree with me.

 

[frank-cole]

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This is simply my perspective, and I apologize if it seems like I keep repeating the same theory. I don’t mean to sound like I’m stuck on it, but I just can’t shake this line of thinking, so please bear with me.


I’ve followed a (now) retired FBI profiler for years, and something she once said has stayed with me. In cases involving an elderly woman who lives alone and is sexually assaulted and murdered, she noted that the most statistically likely suspect is often someone very close by, sometimes even a neighbor’s teenage son.


That’s what makes me wonder whether investigators, both the FBI and local Pima County detectives, might be casting too wide a net because NG is SG’s mother. Given the public profile of the family, it’s understandable that they would consider high-

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This is simply my perspective, and I apologize if it seems like I keep repeating the same theory. I don’t mean to sound like I’m stuck on it, but I just can’t shake this line of thinking, so please bear with me.


I’ve followed a (now) retired FBI profiler for years, and something she once said has stayed with me. In cases involving an elderly woman who lives alone and is sexually assaulted and murdered, she noted that the most statistically likely suspect is often someone very close by, sometimes even a neighbor’s teenage son.


That’s what makes me wonder whether investigators, both the FBI and local Pima County detectives, might be casting too wide a net because NG is SG’s mother. Given the public profile of the family, it’s understandable that they would consider high-level or complex scenarios. But sometimes the truth isn’t elaborate or far-reaching. Sometimes it’s much closer to home.

agree. I’ve seen in other true crime cases & unsolved mysteries, that when they’re highly publicised with a massive public interest, that there’s sometimes the tendency to theorise that it must mean that the crime itself is very complex, sophisticated or some type of nonsensical coverup. However, in many of those cases the answer turned out to be simple. Once the dots were connected people have a tendency to object because it was far simpler than they theorised.

To your point, that could be what has happened here.

Taking into account the crime & the video. I think this is a man who premeditated this crime but doesn’t appear to be experienced. There’s also an oddity about him & I get the impression he is somewhat eccentric.
It’s not a financially motivated crime because if it was the kidnapper would have pushed hard for payment. It’s all been via a paparazzi type news organisation. Exactly the place ‘chancers’ would send their demands.

Perhaps it’s an eccentric who’s obsessed with Nancy or Savannah who’s felt a sense of rejection or resentment, even though he’s never actually met them or spoken to them. It could be sexually motivated but I leaning towards a Barry George type profile & not a sadistic type person.

My opinion

 

[emigrate]

For an investment as it's a favored retirement state. To retire themselves or speculate land will increase in value. Also people with different health issues relocate because of the climate. Such as respiratory problems

Oh, I was thinking they were referring to the desert that was really really far away from a close city. So the desert that is the furthest from cities probably isn't private owned, more likely something that would be more likely to be built on in the next 50 to 100 years, like leaving the land to family and handing it down generation hoping someone makes bank on it in the future kind of thing?

 

[emigrate]

One big thing that comes to mind is data centers, AI or not.

Also, Bill Gates decided to buy an enormous chunk of the desert for a city he envisioned in the future. The only problem is this: water rights.

https://en.innovando.news/Belmont-Smart-City-California/#:~:text=In%20the%20West%20Valley%2C%20within,around%20technology%2C%20sustainability%20and%20innovation.

That is what I was wondering because water is already hard for big cities out there I can't imagine anyone wanting to take on the burden. But data centers would make perfect sense. Bill Gates is never happy with what he has always needing more more more. Hopefully one day he will be satisfied and relax, lol.

 

[cherryleaf]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2025688862903943415

For anyone interested this is NG estimated property lines according to realtor.com
Pic attached

 

[emigrate]

Great question. I'll take a look and see what I can find.

I wonder what reporter they are talking about.

 

[Elley Mae]

Black gloves? Never have i seen black gloves on the side of the road, never. Md here, is it a western thing or a landscaper thing.?
Just baffling to me.

Jmo

 

[emigrate]

Black gloves? Never have i seen black gloves on the side of the road, never. Md here, is it a western thing or a landscaper thing.?
Just baffling to me.

Jmo

Black gloves are the biggest thing now in restaurants, car mechanics, pretty much lots of service industry. It has been like the last year or two I have seen it explode, not sure why it is preferable suddenly. Kind of gross, maybe they don't show the dirt as quickly so they feel they need to change them less often in public settings. My car dealership it is all the mechanics wear, same with their carwash.

 

[Trino]

From mid-January - mid-February there are approximately 65,000 outside visitors to Tucson for a show. Why aren't visitors suspect?