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From another case that happened at the Mojave National Preserve, I learned from other posters about a cactus called Teddy Bear cholla, or “jumping cholla”. Very dangerous. I believe Arizona has the same plant everywhere.

See the danger here:


I understand many people, my niece included who just moved from Jersey to the California desert, love this environment.

But it seems obvious that it’s a very challenging environment if you’re looking for a possible body. So much land, so much to obscure the searches, and dangers like this plant. Plus so many areas of darkness.

I’m happier where I am where plant life is not trying to kill me!

Seriously though, it seems overwhelming to search there.

JMO
 
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I’m on the fence about how many. If two, then easy to overpower senior lady with no one hurt. If 1 culprit, she’s hard to handle….struggle ensues, thus injury. Takes a long time. And, to me…

How to actually get ransom demand out quick and paid the money would be a primary focus, even for an unsophisticated criminal. With this it seems an afterthought….like days later they read somewhere that is what was expected. Or, it’s not connected at all. Idk. So frustrating.

Yeah if it’s a kidnapping, if it’s one guy moving NG the blood makes sense.

If it’s two guys with one moving NG, what’s the other guy doing? They’re there for one thing only. If it’s two guys why have one in the front and one in the back? They know the target is an 84 year old woman. Splitting up doesn’t make sense to me at all.
 
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My CPAP machine has a microphone in it. I have to disable it because it is on by default. I wonder if Nancy uses one?
Your CPAP has a mic? Hmm, wonder if mine does. What brand?
 
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In all the photos showing her home since her disappearance hit MSM, the photos of her home show a sliding door on the L front corner that appears to be slightly open. Maybe it was unlocked/open and the perp(s) initially gained entry that way,…. Or maybe NG or LE opened it for airflow. Idk what this “area” of her home is. But that sliding glass door has always bugged me. MOO
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I said before that I thought maybe the master bedroom.moo
 
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Your CPAP has a mic? Hmm, wonder if mine does. What brand?

I was going to ask the same thing because now I'm curious. Resmed 11 here and I've been in the clinical settings and read the manual and have never seen anything about a mic.
 
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I understand many people, my niece included who just moved from Jersey to the California desert, love this environment.

But it seems obvious that it’s a very challenging environment if you’re looking for a possible body. So much land, so much to obscure the searches, and dangers like this plant. Plus so many areas of darkness.

I’m happier where I am where plant life is not trying to kill me!

Seriously though, it seems overwhelming to search there.

JMO
I agree the desert seems too rough a place for me, and I was struck by NG referring to it as gentle when she was on the Today show. NGs description of Tuscon as gentle and laid back says a lot about her and what she values.
 
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In all the photos showing her home since her disappearance hit MSM, the photos of her home show a sliding door on the L front corner that appears to be slightly open. Maybe it was unlocked/open and the perp(s) initially gained entry that way,…. Or maybe NG or LE opened it for airflow. Idk what this “area” of her home is. But that sliding glass door has always bugged me. MOO
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That looks like a screen door that isn’t pushed all way to the left, not the actual glass door
 
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What does everything think: does the person keep all of the garb on they are wearing for the 40 minutes in the house? Assumption is he got in from her? If he killed her inside, would there be more DNA? I guess with Idaho case the only DNA they found of his was the sheath?
 
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DBM
 
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In all the photos showing her home since her disappearance hit MSM, the photos of her home show a sliding door on the L front corner that appears to be slightly open. Maybe it was unlocked/open and the perp(s) initially gained entry that way,…. Or maybe NG or LE opened it for airflow. Idk what this “area” of her home is. But that sliding glass door has always bugged me. MOO
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Didn't Banfield say that a sliding glass door was found wide open? I believe that is the only sliding glass door on the house. I also think it is the primary bedroom... usually if a sliding glass door doesn't open onto the back patio, then it opens onto another area usually accessed via the primary bedroom.
 
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What does everything think: does the person keep all of the garb on they are wearing for the 40 minutes in the house? Assumption is he got in from her? If he killed her inside, would there be more DNA? I guess with Idaho case the only DNA they found of his was the sheath?
Hmmm... I'm not sure he was inside for 40 minutes, actually.
 
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The kidnapper was in the home for over 40 minutes. That’s not a simple burglary, or a planned kidnapping. That kidnapper had a mission. The guy at the door was very calm. Oh poor Nancy. Reading @Oldguy theory makes sense . Say this was a sick sex crime - why would he take her with him?
I see this as someone like EARONS.
 
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I was going to ask the same thing because now I'm curious. Resmed 11 here and I've been in the clinical settings and read the manual and have never seen anything about a mic.
My Resmed 10 doesn't have a mic but I have an app on my phone that acts as a mic to record sounds all night to see If I am still snoring while wearing the CPAP. I was still snoring in the beginning. The app was helpful in fine tuning the CPAP. I can see why Resmed might add a mic feature.
 
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Which is a very reasonable observation. We have another high-profile case, the Sherman’s one, where everyone around them, family, business, has been discussed, but not people working in their homes or such.

Here, too, Nancy’s closest ones have been discussed but not people working for her.

Are we so much afraid of someone accusing us of taking blaming ughm, less privileged groups? Yes, I think so. It may be some “middle class shame” at play. But statistically the distribution of human traits is the same in every group so we simply have to know more about people working for her, too.
Agree 1000 percent.
 
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I feel like he might've ensured the external situation was set up to his liking before entering the house and abducting Nancy. Since he hadn't been inside yet, he comes around from the side of the house.

Check out the flashes/reflection on his right wrist right at the start of the video (00:01, while his head's still down) and after grabbing the lantana (00:28). He seems to be sneakily checking a device on his wrist before the entry and reentry of the porch.


I'm wondering if he wasn't wearing a deauth watch.

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This device can disable WiFi and jam WiFi cameras. He checks it each time to make sure it's still jamming before approaching the porch.

Maybe he got a cheap model that doesn't jam 5 Ghz, which the Nest Doorbell can utilize. Or maybe he did jam the camera, but at some point the jamming stopped, the Nest reconnected to the WiFi, and uploaded the video we see to the Nest servers.

That's why he's not being as fastidious with hiding his face as you might expect considering the gravity of the crime.

Just a guess.
Quite interesting assessment! There is definitely something in his right hand. I see a light beam, Even though the straps of the backpack are reflecting light, that right hand is different. You can also see how the lightbeam stops abruptly and yet his right hand remains clenched. Additional flashlight or what you are suggesting. Definitely a possibility. Good observation!

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