AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[warp3dwing]

I thought maybe a worker too, at first. But then after seeing what a pinky ring on his finger under the glove and manicured eyebrows/mustache might be, I am thinking someone who has some money, a lot of education on using computers and as someone has stated already, may live in the neighborhood and saw an opportunity.

If it's someone local, they could've walked the neighborhood daily, waiving to neighbors with a smile as they scan for camera locations. Dusk would be a great time to check lighting, too. It'd be much easier to plan a route by scanning on foot rather than creeping around in a car, which is sus. Just an idea.

 

[Bluewing3102]

I thought maybe a worker too, at first. But then after seeing what a pinky ring on his finger under the glove and manicured eyebrows/mustache might be, I am thinking someone who has some money, a lot of education on using computers and as someone has stated already, may live in the neighborhood and saw an opportunity.

IMO, I firmly believe there is no ring. It's just the crease of the glove. Gloves are tight, nobody is trying to fit a pair of gloves over a chunky ring. Especially if you're trying to be cautious of spreading DNA- with a ring you'd risk the glove ripping.

JMO

 

[ab01]

IMO, I firmly believe there is no ring. It's just the crease of the glove. Gloves are tight, nobody is trying to fit a pair of gloves over a chunky ring. Especially if you're trying to be cautious of spreading DNA- with a ring you'd risk the glove ripping.

JMO

I agree

 

[VeronicaVaughn]

IMO, I firmly believe there is no ring. It's just the crease of the glove. Gloves are tight, nobody is trying to fit a pair of gloves over a chunky ring. Especially if you're trying to be cautious of spreading DNA- with a ring you'd risk the glove ripping.

JMO

I had read somewhere that it was possible that the crease may have even been a tear in the glove.

MOO.

 

[ab01]

Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos revealed that there are problems with the DNA evidence collected from Nancy Guthrie’s house that could take up to a year for the private Florida lab he’s using to resolve.

DNA in Nancy Guthrie case could take ‘a year’ to analyze, sheriff says — after using private lab instead of FBI

“The reality is that I also know that sometimes things take time,” Sheriff Nanos said.

nypost.com

If the DNA doesn’t pan out it’s going to be along time till this case is solved if it ever is i’m afraid.

I was hopeful they have a lot that they are holding back, but I don’t think anything they are holding back has significant value imo

It’s been hinted at, as long as there are leads, media needs to move on, these things take time, quietly working behind the scenes, new phase of the investigation.etc etc

They desperately need a huge break in order to make any significant traction

 

[Bluewing3102]

If the DNA doesn’t pan out it’s going to be along time till this case is solved if it ever is i’m afraid.

I was hopeful they have a lot that they are holding back, but I don’t think anything they are holding back has significant value imo

It’s been hinted at, as long as there are leads, media needs to move on, these things take time, quietly working behind the scenes, new phase of the investigation.etc etc

They desperately need a huge break in order to make any significant traction

Unfortunate that LE hasn't been able to get a break in this case (for everyone involved). Early on, I'd go to bed and think i'd wake up to a headline that NG was found safe. I remember the night of the CP Swat Raid and feeling immense hope that this was the guy. Even if LE gets a lead, I fear the ending is not going to be as fulfilling as we are hoping for. Nevertheless, NG we will never give up on you!

 

[TIGER0822]

I think he's on the younger side as well. When I first saw the video, I guessed late 20s/early 30s.

I agree. 20 / 30s . He was very calm. He was either experienced, or in a familiar place (contractor? )

 

[aafromaa]

We don't even know if she answered the door. The sheriff initially said there was forced entry but then retreated to not saying whether or not there was forced entry. My guess is that she would not have answered the door, but we don't really know.

JMO

I am older now and live alone and I keep my outside glass door locked so that if someone is at the door and I open the regular door to see who it is I would still have to unlock the glass door to let them in - or they would have to break the glass or something. But I never open the inner door after dark if I'm not expecting someone without a gun in my hand too - yes, I keep one just inside my entry, so it is handy to grab whenever I go to the door. NG would likely do the same with keeping both doors locked too. And I'm not saying she went to the door and opened it because I don't think that she did...but...if she did open her regular door and see a man in a mask with a gun would she have followed his order to open the glass door too? Or would she have slammed the big door shut again and locked it and call 911? That's what I would do. But again, I do not think she ever opened ANY door.

 

[TBYOOL]

I respectfully disagree. When someone is missing and the person is supposedly desperate for their safe return, they almost always refer to them in present tense because they don't want to even consider that they are dead. And murderers have been known to refer to their victims in past tense by mistake fore being notified the person was dead. MOO

Perhaps, but reporters might not be quite so invested. As for family, I would posit that it depends on the circumstances and the question and the moment. And “almost always” isn’t always so I stand by my opinion of the flimsiness of making judgements based on verb tense unless you have a reputable source that defines “almost always” and provides a statistical basis for the statement. All in my opinion.

 

[stmichael]

I am older now and live alone and I keep my outside glass door locked so that if someone is at the door and I open the regular door to see who it is I would still have to unlock the glass door to let them in - or they would have to break the glass or something. But I never open the inner door after dark if I'm not expecting someone without a gun in my hand too - yes, I keep one just inside my entry, so it is handy to grab whenever I go to the door. NG would likely do the same with keeping both doors locked too. And I'm not saying she went to the door and opened it because I don't think that she did...but...if she did open her regular door and see a man in a mask with a gun would she have followed his order to open the glass door too? Or would she have slammed the big door shut again and locked it and call 911? That's what I would do. But again, I do not think she ever opened ANY door.

She did not have a glass door. She had a welded steel security door in it's own frame with it's own deadbolt that a man with bare hands could not breach (it has welded metal bars, and a metal mesh pest screen, and deadbolt lockset).

This could give one a false extra sense of security. And yes, one could shoot through it between the bars, or threaten to. It was not damaged and not breached. We do not know, however, if it was ever locked.

 

[VegasGirl35]

I agree. 20 / 30s . He was very calm. He was either experienced, or in a familiar place (contractor? )

I definitely think there's a connection to the neighborhood. Looking at the map of Nancy's area, those streets are a maze. It would be difficult to navigate in the dark and under intense pressure if there wasn't some familiarity with the surroundings.

 

[QueenBofOB]

Well..as an old police sergeant said to me about Shepherds: “they are hard to anchor.” That’s if you hit them! Hitting a rapidly moving target is incredibly difficult…

More to the point-the animal’s bark in a defensive/attack mode is incredibly intimidating. When our family lived in a 15 house block just outside North Philly with our overly large and aggressive Shepherd-14 of the houses were burglarized in 10 years. Ours was not. Dealing with aggressive and powerful dogs is not easy-or necessary... the animal that has bonded with their owner will fight you to the last beat of their heart. They will bleed, and in all probability, so will you.

Pre-incident surveillance that uncovers a guardian dog is a strong reason to do more victim selection.

I used the dog as an example. As another, I’m reminded of a fatal shooting in Nashville years ago. Neighbors called 911 on hearing the rounds.
On arrival they found a well known teen hoodlum DRT. ( Dead Right There.)

They spoke to the old gentleman still sitting on his porch )who willingly surrendered his ancient revolver). He explained the guy tried to rob him. Realizing the fellow looked ancient the lady cop asked him “how old are you sir?” The old gent laughed and said “I’m the oldest man in Nashville …just turned 104.”

So many things would have prevented this.

Yep. I grew up in the country and one thing about dogs out there, if your's starts barking in the middle of the nite, more than likely the neighbor's dogs will also.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

Does anyone else think lantana man looks really young, like in his 20s/early 30s? I know I’ve seen people theorize he was 40+ but I just don’t see it. His gait looks very young to me. Would him being in his 20s change what we believe the motive to be? Sexual vs financial vs whatever else

Would also align with them seeming to target mother/son duos. I know we’ve discussed this already.

JMO

I think he looks young. I also think not bending fully down can be something a golfer does, a landscaper, as I have observed both. I also notice it in taller men. But could also be just keeping backpack up.

Hello, newbie here. Been following this tragedy since the beginning. Am I the only one that sees an outline of shorts under the suspect's pants? Makes me think he may have had additional clothing with him, but why carry that backpack if you have a car somewhere? It obviously didn't have tools for disabling the camera. I haven't kept up with all 1850 pages here so apologize in advance if thoughts are redundant to this thread.

YES! I have wondered what is up with those thighs! Not sure if boxers, or as one guest analyst said there might be some body armor there.

Sorry, I’m posting without listening to this, and not caught up. Can anybody point out the body armor he’s referring to?

https://twitter.com/x/status/2021287139552657517

Interesting take. Those eyebrows and a pinky ring would evoke low class to me. I've seen that a lot in my time in NYC. Very "street". Actually several of my landscapers (and ex co-workers) have the "sharpie" eyebrows and a pinky ring--it's a cultural thing.

BTW I firmly believe the "ring" is a case of pareidolia, and was just a high riding crease. The thing that struck me about those gloves as someone who uses them a lot was how loose they were with so many folds and creases showing up in the IR light of the cam. And the eyebrows also could just be the contrast edge of an underneath mask, many suspect. We really don't know.

Do you feel like the hands would be really large if not two sets of gloves, or the type shown earlier with knit lining? I noticed the line you are referring to and found it odd too. Although I’d like to believe there was a pinky ring.

My own screenshot from video shared by FBI below.

 

[tricia]

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We’ve been approached by a national media outlet that is preparing a story on the kidnapping of Nancy Guthrie.

They are looking to speak with Websleuths members who are actively working together to analyze and try to help solve this case.

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If you are part of a Websleuths private message group focused on this case, or if you believe your public sleuthing on the forum reflects substantial work and thoughtful analysis, you may want to consider participating. If you are in Tucson and are boots on the ground working on the case, the outlet is especially interested in speaking with you.

If you would like to be connected with the reporter, please email me and I will facilitate the introduction. [email protected]

Please understand that any interview, photographs, or resulting coverage would be strictly between you and the reporter and their publication. Websleuths is simply helping make the connection in hopes that more light can be shed on Nancy’s case — and because our members deserve recognition for the serious, dedicated work they do. Email [email protected]

Thank you.

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[VeronicaVaughn]

Perhaps, but reporters might not be quite so invested. As for family, I would posit that it depends on the circumstances and the question and the moment. And “almost always” isn’t always so I stand by my opinion of the flimsiness of making judgements based on verb tense unless you have a reputable source that defines “almost always” and provides a statistical basis for the statement. All in my opinion.

Would your opinion change if it were two reporters in conversation and the leading reporter was using the present tense (is), while the second reporter was using the past tense (was)?

JMHO.

 

[TBYOOL]

Would your opinion change if it were two reporters in conversation and the leading reporter was using the present tense (is), while the second reporter was using the past tense (was)?

JMHO.

Having not seen it, I can’t say. And if it is from a source not allowed on here then I don’t want to speculate. The differences of opinion do spur consideration which is a good thing IMO.

 

[SMK777]

If the DNA doesn’t pan out it’s going to be along time till this case is solved if it ever is i’m afraid.

I was hopeful they have a lot that they are holding back, but I don’t think anything they are holding back has significant value imo

It’s been hinted at, as long as there are leads, media needs to move on, these things take time, quietly working behind the scenes, new phase of the investigation.etc etc

They desperately need a huge break in order to make any significant traction

Agreed. I hope there will be a huge break.

It happens. Sometimes just out of the blue.

Like someone talking or something happening that just breaks the case wide open. It's a hope in any case.

 

[aafromaa]

Does this case feel slow because we're following it in real time? I usually follow cases long after the fact, when they're cold or the investigation is public information.

I think it is because we expected NG to be found by now or maybe we just hoped. I don't know that the investigation is slow - not to solve a case in a few weeks doesn't really seem slow to me nor would I consider it a cold case for a long time yet. But I never dreamed that 3 weeks plus and NG's family would still not know whether she is alive or dead. I want to have hope that she may still be alive but each day that hope has dwindled and while I can't say it is gone completely, I struggle to hold on to it at all. I cannot imagine what this is like for her family and every day my heart breaks a little more. My own mother has been gone for over 10 years now, but it is unbearable to think how I would feel if anything like this had happened to her. Perhaps it is the daily heartbreak that makes the case seem slow to me - but it's not the investigation. I just want so badly for the family to get some answers.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

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Sadly, I think the reward should be a million dollars now​

(one million two hundred thousand, including the other $200 000 reward)

If this is true, what has been privately conveyed

This should get someone talking. I believe more are involved

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Nancy Guthrie Update Day 23: DNA Lab Snag, Investigation May Scale Back as Case Enters Critical Phase​

The lack of recent progress may mean that investigators soon scale back their resources, sources with knowledge of the case told ABC News.

Right now, 400 investigators are assigned operating 24/7. Given the seemingly sluggish progress, investigators believe the case would soon have to move into a new phase with fewer dedicated resources but a small task force focused on it long term.

The Guthrie family has been briefed on the fact that certain leads have not been panning out.

Nancy Guthrie Update Day 23: DNA Lab Snag, Investigation May Scale Back as Case Enters Critical Phase

www.filmogaz.com

 

[mickey2942]

Cases like this can be so confusing. So many potential factors. I always go back to the kidnapping of Jayme Closs. The police really had no clue who killed her parents and kidnapped her. Theories ran the gamut of an ex military guy, or disgruntled employee of her father.

And it ended up being this nerdy incel who saw her at a bus stop and was infatuated with her. Jayme saved herself by running away one day.

Unfortunately, I think that this case may go into that same pile. No one really knows.