AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[acutename]

Agreed. I hope there will be a huge break.

It happens. Sometimes just out of the blue.

Like someone talking or something happening that just breaks the case wide open. It's a hope in any case.

I think LE was hoping that some one would recognize this person, but some of the people we have seen commit other crimes have no close friends or family... would take a lot for anyone to to "miss them" or to notice a behavioral change.

 

[ab01]

She did not have a glass door. She had a welded steel security door in it's own frame with it's own deadbolt that a man with bare hands could not breach (it has welded metal bars, and a metal mesh pest screen, and deadbolt lockset).

This could give one a false extra sense of security. And yes, one could shoot through it between the bars, or threaten to. It was not damaged and not breached. We do not know, however, if it was ever locked.

If there was forced entry in this case it was almost certainly not through that front door if it was locked imo.

Security door shows a lockable handle and deadbolt and I'd be willing to bet the interior one had both as well.

 

[EncyclopediaBrownJr]

Respectfully, that is the jury's job to decide on guilt, not the investigating officer's job. l know it used to happen, and it may still happen sometimes, but it's a violation of the suspect's rights. What if the officers were mistakenly sure of your guilt and needed a confession?

I’m not talking about a confession, I’m talking about situations where the location of a person, dead or alive is unknown and there’s irrefutable evidence the suspect is the culprit.

There’s guys who go to their graves not disclosing locations of their victims. Nope, kiddie gloves come off. LE is in the weeds with some of the nastiest, dirtiest criminals alive. Have to fight fire with fire. Lawyers and judges on the other hand are in the rear with the gear.

Often times our criminal justice system is a joke. How many people die because some monster gets second and third chances? For example Cesar Barone who I mentioned earlier. One of many examples.

MOO

 

[SMK777]

I think LE was hoping that some one would recognize this person, but some of the people we have seen commit other crimes have no close friends or family... would take a lot for anyone to to "miss them" or to notice a behavioral change.

Yes, that's definitely a factor.
Also, he was concealed enough that it might be difficult for one or two people who do know him to really identify it as him.
Then there's the fear that he left for Mexico or elsewhere.

 

[stmichael]

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Do you feel like the hands would be really large if not two sets of gloves, or the type shown earlier with knit lining? I noticed the line you are referring to and found it odd too. Although I’d like to believe there was a pinky ring.

My own screenshot from video shared by FBI below.

No telling the size of his hands (he could have sized up accordingly). I believe its likely he had other gloves underneath, which is why the gloves are loosely fit. Nothing leads me to believe he had more eccentric lined gloves, rather than common disposable ones available everywhere. When I wear nitrile/latex/ disposable gloves, they are usually skin tight (or look that way) and you see that with surgeons and mechanics, etc.. I have seen people wearing them with some play and then they get notable folds, but the footage from the Nest cam has the folds and creases to the extreme like he really oversized to go over an underneath layer. The amount of folds and creases picked up in the IR light really jumped out at me and I've heard ex-FBI agent Scott Duffy also comment on the possibility of two sets of gloves.

Everything about this guy's gear up, from a practical operational standpoint was skewed, over-convoluted, and "lost in translation". I've posted long write-ups about this several times in this very long and fast moving thread.

edit: added a ring pic. if you image search ring & nitrile gloves it's a bunch of scientists and doctors posting their ripped gloves cause they left their wedding/engagement ring on. They rip the gloves easily. And any ring will stand out significantly in these.

 

[Fargo]

I’m not talking about a confession, I’m talking about situations where the location of a person, dead or alive is unknown and there’s irrefutable evidence the suspect is the culprit.

There’s guys who go to their graves not disclosing locations of their victims. Nope, kiddie gloves come off. LE is in the weeds with some of the nastiest, dirtiest criminals alive. Have to fight fire with fire. Lawyers and judges on the other hand are in the rear with the gear.

Often times our criminal justice system is a joke. How many people die because some monster gets second and third chances? For example Cesar Barone who I mentioned earlier. One of many examples.

MOO

The US Constitution is not a suggestion. IMO

 

[ab01]

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Sadly, I think the reward should be a million dollars now​

(one million two hundred thousand, including the other $200 000 reward)

If this is true, what has been privately conveyed

This should get someone talking. I believe more are involved

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Nancy Guthrie Update Day 23: DNA Lab Snag, Investigation May Scale Back as Case Enters Critical Phase​

The lack of recent progress may mean that investigators soon scale back their resources, sources with knowledge of the case told ABC News.

Right now, 400 investigators are assigned operating 24/7. Given the seemingly sluggish progress, investigators believe the case would soon have to move into a new phase with fewer dedicated resources but a small task force focused on it long term.

The Guthrie family has been briefed on the fact that certain leads have not been panning out.

Nancy Guthrie Update Day 23: DNA Lab Snag, Investigation May Scale Back as Case Enters Critical Phase

www.filmogaz.com

The pulling back of resources at this point is understandable especially if they have exhausted credible leads and have a lack of evidence.

My only hope is that the evidence that is needed to solve this and find Nancy just didn't ever exist and not that it was somehow overlooked.

We've seen many cases where evidence was missed early on and wasn't realized until many years later.

I really hope for the sake of NG and her loved ones that they are able to find answers and peace sooner than later.

I can't imagine the not knowing for years and years in a missing persons case. That has to be the absolute worst thing imaginable.

 

[Cblewife]

I often think of the Ariel Castro case. . It was years before his victims were found.

Without sounding too horrible, Ariel Castro used those girls for his sexual gratification. It was in HIS best interest to keep them alive. I don't see NG falling into that category.

 

[VegasGirl35]

Cases like this can be so confusing. So many potential factors. I always go back to the kidnapping of Jayme Closs. The police really had no clue who killed her parents and kidnapped her. Theories ran the gamut of an ex military guy, or disgruntled employee of her father.

And it ended up being this nerdy incel who saw her at a bus stop and was infatuated with her. Jayme saved herself by running away one day.

Unfortunately, I think that this case may go into that same pile. No one really knows.

So true. Heck, there's a bazillion different opinions on the man in the video. Some think it's a woman. Some say he looks white, others think he's Hispanic or Middle Eastern. Some think he's young, some say middle aged. How the heck is he supposed to be identified when he looks like everyone and no one at the same time?

He could be a worker, a neighbor, a stalker, a burglar, a tweaker, an American, a foreigner, etc. At this point, who isn't on the list?

 

[EncyclopediaBrownJr]

The US Constitution is not a suggestion. IMO

People have a right to live and live free. Families have a right to bring their loved ones home.

Obviously there’s two sides to the coin and we will not agree but my opinion is that we our soft on crime. I want the Guthrie family to have their mother/grandmother home.

MOO

 

[acutename]

No telling the size of his hands (he could have sized up accordingly). I believe its likely he had other gloves underneath, which is why the gloves are loosely fit. Nothing leads me to believe he had more eccentric lined gloves, rather than common disposable ones available everywhere. When I wear nitrile/latex/ disposable gloves, they are usually skin tight (or look that way) and you see that with surgeons and mechanics, etc.. I have seen people wearing them with some play and then they get notable folds, but the footage from the Nest cam has the folds and creases to the extreme like he really oversized to go over an underneath layer. The amount of folds and creases picked up in the IR light really jumped out at me and I've heard ex-FBI agent Scott Duffy also comment on the possibility of two sets of gloves.

Everything about this guy's gear up, from a practical operational standpoint was skewed, over-convoluted, and "lost in translation". I've posted long write-ups about this several times in this very long and fast moving thread.

they look heavier to me- like hazmat chemical gloves:

 

[SRWCF]

they look heavier to me- like hazmat chemical gloves:

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Yes. Impossible to tear.

 

[SMK777]

I recall that the lastest from Sheriff Nanos is that they "have no people we're looking at."

If only some piece of information could link the masked suspect to a name and location, that would be the thing that would break the case open and lead to finding NG. I know it goes without saying, but it's so frustrating because he is the key. We know he was there.

There has to be something.
Of course the same was said about Bridge Guy in the Delphi case.

 

[acutename]

Yes. Impossible to tear.

used for refrigerants.... HVAC...

 

[SMK777]

Cases like this can be so confusing. So many potential factors. I always go back to the kidnapping of Jayme Closs. The police really had no clue who killed her parents and kidnapped her. Theories ran the gamut of an ex military guy, or disgruntled employee of her father.

And it ended up being this nerdy incel who saw her at a bus stop and was infatuated with her. Jayme saved herself by running away one day.

Unfortunately, I think that this case may go into that same pile. No one really knows.

Right, and if she hadn't managed to do that or was unable to , it would still be all theories.

Obviously that can't happen in this case.
But maybe just one person finding something out about the video guy and coming forward. Like a girlfriend he told when he was drunk -- that kind of thing.

Or one Walmart online order that stands out.

 

[SMK777]

Without sounding too horrible, Ariel Castro used those girls for his sexual gratification. It was in HIS best interest to keep them alive. I don't see NG falling into that category.

Right, he "took care of them" for his own self- interest.

To take care of a vulnerable elderly person is more difficult, and the motivation wouldn't be there, sadly

 

[CandMc]

I apologize if I missed discussion on this but has there been any information about the light to the right side when the masked man is covering the camera with the flowers?

I took a screenshot from an Instagram video but its a little blurry. It's clearly visible when you watch any of the videos. It almost looks like a phone. Is someone coming out the door?

 

[shonyakay]

agree. I’ve seen in other true crime cases & unsolved mysteries, that when they’re highly publicised with a massive public interest, that there’s sometimes the tendency to theorise that it must mean that the crime itself is very complex, sophisticated or some type of nonsensical coverup. However, in many of those cases the answer turned out to be simple. Once the dots were connected people have a tendency to object because it was far simpler than they theorised.

To your point, that could be what has happened here.

Taking into account the crime & the video. I think this is a man who premeditated this crime but doesn’t appear to be experienced. There’s also an oddity about him & I get the impression he is somewhat eccentric.
It’s not a financially motivated crime because if it was the kidnapper would have pushed hard for payment. It’s all been via a paparazzi type news organisation. Exactly the place ‘chancers’ would send their demands.

Perhaps it’s an eccentric who’s obsessed with Nancy or Savannah who’s felt a sense of rejection or resentment, even though he’s never actually met them or spoken to them. It could be sexually motivated but I leaning towards a Barry George type profile & not a sadistic type person.

My opinion

I am reminded of the Isabel Celis case. Everyone honed in on the family, especially her dad. In the end it was a man who had come to the Celis' family's door months earlier inquiring about a car at the side of their house to see if they were selling it. It is believed that he saw little Isabel when the family came to the door.
Months later he took Isabel from her bedroom in the middle of the night/early morning.

Not accusing but just thinking that it could be that this perp is related to one of the helpers that Nancy had around her house. Housekeeper, gardner, pool man? Maybe someone's brother or son came with them to Nancy's house one day - perhaps to pick up a paycheck? Just speculating because that is all we can do right now - until we have more information.

 

[shonyakay]

Sheriff Nanos said at the February 2nd presser...

"She has house staff that comes by takes care of the yard, whatever, that in her house and that."

Could the DNA be a mixture because it is partially matching someone's buccal swab DNA that was already taken and submitted into evidence from Nancy's family, friends, workers?

Btw, I need DNA for dummies. I don't know much about it.

 

[kevin1000]

Good points. We also don’t know anything about Nancy’s phone. We don’t know anything about the communication with the person who alerted the family that she was missing. As well as what she was wearing, her prescription status, what was found inside her home and more. LE hasn’t released this info for a reason.

Earlier on it was made me feel hopeful about what they were gathering and tying together. That hope is gone now.

Creepy to think that the suspect could be following our posts!

Other people have said this too.