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I think that the investigation is proceeding as well as can be expected, with all resources available being utilized. As to the Sheriff, I just think he is a not an effective communicator. I have no idea how the team handles their duties. I doubt he is personally involved in evidence collection or processing, and his decisions aren’t really changing the outcome. He is contributing to the noise, but I don’t think he is hurting the case.

I got this sense as well from his pressers.
 
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In BK's case LE stated they had no suspects but behind the scenes they were honing in on him.
Wasn't BK arrested one day after LE made that statement too?
I am pretty sure AB mentioned this.
 
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Simple — there were 4 bodies. Here we have none.
True. Agree with you on that.

The article, though, focuses on the PR and way of handling things by LE between the 2.
 
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That would be excellent! Whoever finds her should get a big Thank You! Big press conference, party in honor for their huge efforts.
The criminal still needs to be found, too! Maybe Searching Mothers can find the criminal, haha! JK!
Is the reward only for tracking down, convicting the criminal? Or can some pay go to a person or group, finding NG, the victim? Was the reward spelled out this way?
Overall, I don’t think the reward is the motivator for Searching Mothers, or anyone in the public helping to search. I think they just want NG found, returned to the Guthries, even if passed.
I hope NG is found soon.

JMO
 
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Simple — there were 4 bodies. Here we have none.
it was the knife sheaf not the bodies that got him caught, so we can only hope that they can get some DNA profile/s separated out from the mixed sample the Sheriff has said they retrieved from NG home, I did see an interview with Cee Cee Moore who said it is difficult working with samples that have more than 2 profiles in a mixture to even have enough DNA to get any profiles, and then if they do get profiles and he is not in Codis or any local databases then they have to move onto IGG all of which takes time,

and after all that they have to hope its the perpetrators DNA and not somebody that is a friend or a workman, or just random DNA
 
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In BK's case LE stated they had no suspects but behind the scenes they were honing in on him.
Wasn't BK arrested one day after LE made that statement too?
I am pretty sure AB mentioned this.
but it took forever to catch him, I think this case was/is very different especially if LE really thought NG was taken alive, it was of the utmost importance they found her quickly, and having not found her quickly I think even LE must realistically think she isn't alive
 
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The family's reactions to this crime are not interesting to me at all in terms of assigning blame or 'ought have dones/should have dones'. They are only interesting to me when it comes to positing motives for the crime itself.

It is an atypical response for any family to not fully utilize the media that is available to them at a time like this. In fact, most families have to beg for any media coverage. It only follows then that SG likely wants very badly to utilize a platform in which she has attained expert knowledge and experience to help her locate her Mom.

This suggests to me that she is being managed/restrained/discouraged from doing it, which begs the question of why is that so?

JMO.
Good point. What causes a media savvy woman to stay out of the spotlight when otherwise families in similar situations would be clamoring for the attention?
 
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In BK's case LE stated they had no suspects but behind the scenes they were honing in on him.
Wasn't BK arrested one day after LE made that statement too?
I am pretty sure AB mentioned this.
From my own memory James Fry, the Chief of Police in Moscow, Idaho had answered a question about the white Elantra vehicle, saying, "We have no idea.", when he was asked where it was at present. People were annoyed and thought investigators were clueless.

At the time they were tracking Kohburger to his parent's home in Pennsylvania and preparing to arrest and charge him.

If only we are in a similar situation now!
 
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but it took forever to catch him, I think this case was/is very different especially if LE really thought NG was taken alive, it was of the utmost importance they found her quickly, and having not found her quickly I think even LE must realistically think she isn't alive

47 days. Almost halfway there if we're comparing.
 
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That's a take. But here the local dynamics are a bit more specific and have nothing to do with the "decorum" of a figure head.

Are you familiar with the little experience the Pima County SD currently has after a recent mass exodus. More than half of its deputies are probationary (1st year) and the majority of it's Detectives are Det. 1s. It is a very green dept. in the rank and file.

And I am sure you are familiar with the elected Sheriff's controversies and his past investigation by the FBI who he has years ago publicly called out (since they cost him an election and nearly ended his career). That's the same agency he now has to work with and many past experienced Pima County cops have said he has an ego driven grudge and won't play nice with them based on this personal matter.
If you're a local, you may have detailed knowledge about the Sheriff and his department. I'm an old lady with a fairly good sense of human nature. (And a respect for decorum.) A local sheriff is beholden to his citizens, no matter how he acts, and he knows that elections must be won-- as opposed to political nomination. A man of over-sized ego hates to fail, especially someone tied to a community and involved in a high-profile case. If Nanos fails it would haunt him the rest of his life and wipe out every other thing he's ever accomplished. Sadly, at times like this we have to trust people to do their best and hope that's enough. The majority of FBI agents are pros, but they work behind the scenes and rarely face the public outrage and scrutiny that local LE does. JMOO
 
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Good point. What causes a media savvy woman to stay out of the spotlight when otherwise families in similar situations would be clamoring for the attention?
I might venture that a media savvy woman understands media better than any of us-- and knows how fickle and damaging the wrong media attention can be. SG is a professional. She knows exactly how anything she says or does can be misconstrued. She also will trust other professionals to do their jobs. JMOO
 
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Good point. What causes a media savvy woman to stay out of the spotlight when otherwise families in similar situations would be clamoring for the attention?
I think the family is fearful for their safety.
 
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47 days. Almost halfway there if we're comparing.
So technically we could be on a similar timeline. I hope we're that lucky.

I don't know if it's feasible to think NG will be recovered alive, sadly.
 
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It's just my perspective, I guess, but to me, each case is unique so I have no use in thinking about it by comparing other cases. All different circumstances, investigations, localities, and persons involved. I do understand that sleuthers look for patterns though, so I am not slamming anyone for trying to find one. JMO
 
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I find this suggestion to be forward thinking. People just want to help. Not just locally, but from far and wide. Submitting samples to add to the growing DNA database for any current or future case or cold case would have far reaching benefits.
This reminds me of the pleas from, say, Am Red Cross in times of crisis for blood donations - both locally and nationally. It allows citizens to contribute indirectly but very effectively.
Great idea, @Bruxer !

Edit to add: I am referring to labs such as Othram that will accept donated specimens for database.
People really need to think long and hard about the privacy implications of surrendering DNA like that. I would never do that unless there was some extremely specific reason to do so and agreement that use would be limited.
 
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At what point in the investigation will the case talk about the presumption NG is no longer alive? Three months? Six? More?
I think OP's point was that making that switch while LE is clearly in find and rescue mode is pretty tasteless and odd. Obviously, it's less and less possible that NG is still alive. When they announced the other day that activity would be scaled back, I considered it a "soft" announcement that they have moved from rescue to recovery mode. They are apparently not willing to officially say that just yet.

ETA grammar error
 

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