AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[SlimPickens]

It is obvious to me in the close-ups of Lantana man that he is wearing a silicone or similar type of mask under the ski mask. This quite clearly obscures and even reshapes his eyes. This also means that any facial hair observed is questionable as to its authenticity. I've attached two pictures from the video that are not enhanced in any way, only blown up and cropped. I've also attached an example of a real mask.

Thoughts?

JMO

Example of a real mask:

 

[scandiamerican]

Unlikely, but not totally out of the question. That would probably make Porch guy and inside person HIRED for the job. JMO

True. While I find the porch guy more intelligent/capable than many people here do, he certainly did not strike me as a hired home invader/abductor. Hmmm.

It’s possible in my mind he could be a coerced one, though.

Although . . . we have a problem in Scandinavia now with people hired to do dirty work and it’s basically whoever signs up to do it from options with payment amounts, with payment if they prove they did it from what I can tell (though, I should say, violent crime rates are much lower than in the US overall). People do it because they’re in desperate circumstances or because they feel alienated from society and want to prove something or have money to live differently. The trail to the specific person who ordered it is obscured and the one who gets caught having acted on it becomes the sole fall guy repeatedly.

But it’s not my primary theory about the NG case, as I said. Just the one conspiracy sort of thing that my mind flits back to.

 

[maskedwoman]

Perhaps, but reporters might not be quite so invested. As for family, I would posit that it depends on the circumstances and the question and the moment. And “almost always” isn’t always so I stand by my opinion of the flimsiness of making judgements based on verb tense unless you have a reputable source that defines “almost always” and provides a statistical basis for the statement. All in my opinion.

No problem. I'll stand by mine as well and we're all good.

 

[SaraSmile]

they certainly were speedy with there DNA processing,

Yes, with Idaho 4 case, after the typical STR, CODIS struck out, it wasn’t a known felon in the system, they immediately went to IGG, genetic geneology. And the DNA experts said that even the “touch” sample on the knife sheath had “ lots of” usable DNA to test.

So here’s to hoping that after they are able to separate NG’s house DNA, they will get a good lead. After a person is identified by DNA, they still need to be interviewed, alibied. It could just be a past workman, helped NG move furniture, something innocent, or…it could be the perpetrator!

JMO

 

[Megnut]

Nanos explains what he says he meant here.

In a previous interview with NBC News, Nanos said, “When you’re taken from your bed and you don’t want to go somewhere, that’s an abduction.”

But Nanos “meant that figuratively and did not mean she was literally taken from her bed,” the sheriff’s department later clarified to NBC. After Nancy went to bed, however, authorities aren't exactly sure what she did, Nanos told PEOPLE.

On Friday, Feb. 6, Nanos cleared up the confusion when he told PEOPLE, "We know she had gone to bed."

"Did she get up and answer the door?" he says. "Did she get up to go to the bathroom? Did she go to get something out of the refrigerator?

"I just know that this 84-year-old mom, grandma, went to bed that night and in the morning she was missing," he says.

https://people.com/sheriff-believes-nancy-guthrie-went-to-bed-before-she-was-abducted-overnight-11901657

My thoughts are LE must have some type of evidence to believe that Nancy went to bed that night.

In the February 2nd presser when a reporter asked if LE had any information of what Nancy was wearing when she went missing - Nanos said no.
My assumption is the clothing that Nancy wore to AG's Saturday evening was found at Nancy's home.

I think this is a clue -- evidence that she had gone to bed, but perhaps wasn't in bed when she encountered the perp/s. I recall the sheriff saying originally she'd been kidnapped from her bed, then walking it back, that he didn't mean it literally.

Perhaps, even without her hearing aids, she heard something. If they're recovered audio from the Nest, she may even have communicated with the perp at her door. 'Why are you here?' Or 'go away, I'm calling the police. Or just to use the restroom.

Frightening how ever it happened.

She had the right to be safe in her home.

JMO

 

[dotr]

Not that anyone would expect a drop of kindness from the type of person who would kidnap somebody, especially an 84 year old woman, but..
Perhaps aware of NG and her family's strong faith in religion, would they, could they, leave her near a church or cemetery?
speculation, imo.

 

[maskedwoman]

People have a right to live and live free. Families have a right to bring their loved ones home.

Obviously there’s two sides to the coin and we will not agree but my opinion is that we our soft on crime. I want the Guthrie family to have their mother/grandmother home.

MOO

At the risk of straying into "off topic" territory, every citizen has the same rights until someone is convicted of a crime. I agree that society in many areas has become soft on crime but we cannot punish someone before they are tried for a crime. People entrusted with upholding the law, appropriately, cannot deny citizen 1 their rights to protect citizen 2 - even if they are "pretty sure" Citizen 1 committed a crime. Sometimes the suspect of a crime really does turn out to be innocent.

 

[scandiamerican]

It is obvious to me in the close-ups of Lantana man that he is wearing a silicone or similar type of mask under the ski mask. This quite clearly obscures and even reshapes his eyes. This also means that any facial hair observed is questionable as to its authenticity. I've attached two pictures from the video that are not enhanced in any way, only blown up and cropped. I've also attached an example of a real mask.

Thoughts?

JMO

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Example of a real mask:

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Earlier in the thread, there were links to images of how these masks show up under balaclavas on IR cameras, and from that info, it seemed clear this was not actually the case.

 

[kevin1000]

I think the family is fearful for their safety.

That would imply something more nefarious at the origination of this or an after the fact person attracted by the attention. My bet is LE thinks it's the first because of the public release of the internet search spikes.

 

[Sadi]

It is obvious to me in the close-ups of Lantana man that he is wearing a silicone or similar type of mask under the ski mask. This quite clearly obscures and even reshapes his eyes. This also means that any facial hair observed is questionable as to its authenticity. I've attached two pictures from the video that are not enhanced in any way, only blown up and cropped. I've also attached an example of a real mask.

Thoughts?

JMO

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Example of a real mask:

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The real life masks scare the hell out of me

 

[desert-blue]

I find the handling of this case to be so weird. Everything seems to have been way too lax at the beginning, which is odd given the high profile of the victim and her family. You'd think LE would have been extra cautious and extremely thorough knowing that their every move was being watched and scrutinized. And given that SG would undoubtedly do or pay anything to help with the case, it seems strange that everything seems to be rather slow and disorganized and not especially successful thus far. With SG's resources, you would think they could expedite any lab or technology requests (within the limits of testing times) and hire a multitude of specialists if needed. Sometimes financial constraints and backlogs slow down investigations, but this case seems like it would be given top priority due to the publicity and obvious access to money if needed. I guess I'm pretty unimpressed and that bothers me. It doesn't bode well for an "average Joe" in the same predicament. No point to my post, other than I guess I am finding myself more and more discouraged with every passing day. I hope for a break soon.

 

[Quiet thinker]

New here and new to sleuthing and crime so please forgive any errors. My question goes back to the tracks in the front yard, whether they have been ruled out as part of the crime, and whether the object that caused them has been tentatively identified here. If so, could the weight the object carried be approximated by the depth of the tracks in those soil conditions by the photos? Thank you.

 

[Katrinepa]

I'm not a defender of how this investigation has been facilitated by any means - at least those parts that we know about - but keeping only a couple of close confidantes 'in the know' on a case this big is a sound strategy for a variety of reasons.

Having said this, I don't even think the Sheriff's office is really the lead on this case anymore, so the leaks that insinuate that he is on a power trip are probably from him.

JMO.

The Daily Mail is a Rag 'news' org, and not in the USA. I would take anything they say with a huge grain of salt, unless the comment is seen from other more reliable sources. Too much speculation from those who want to grab attention for themselves IMPOV
I'm watching podcasters who are either, experts themselves, retired FBI, retired FBI teachers, retired detectives, investigators, all with much experience, for their thoughts, as none of them are jumping to conclusions, as well as explaining the inner workings of Departments, and possible inner conflict, from their own experiences. People in the Press also want attention, some want to truly help, but others are more about the clicks they get. Use critical thinking with all of this, and keep asking questions. My opinion, based on some experience... Also, some podcasters are giving credit to groups like ours, so keep thinking/ adding one plus one, coming to possible reasons/solutions. Rock On!

 

[SlimPickens]

Earlier in the thread, there were links to images of how these masks show up under balaclavas on IR cameras, and from that info, it seemed clear this was not actually the case.

Real faces don't have obvious and pronounced demarcation lines that overlap and obscure parts of real eyeballs, whether viewed in infrared or otherwise. Likewise, the eyeballs in the closeup I attached are inset into what appears to be another line altogether, indicating that that is the actual, more subtle demarcation line of his real face contrasted with his eyeballs.

JMO.

 

[SaraSmile]

Good point. What causes a media savvy woman to stay out of the spotlight when otherwise families in similar situations would be clamoring for the attention?

I think the FBI has advised the family the best times to speak up, be brief, maybe what to say.
The Guthrie videos were probably a test for the ransom people, SG asked for proof of life( was never provided). Family were advised mostly to stay quiet, let FBI/LE do their work.

The ransom people are so maddening! I thought they were all opportunists, so awful to give the Guthries any false hope. That’s just so horrible, when they are so desperate to find NG, suffering, and will try anything. Those ransom people, IMO, were not related to NG’s disappearance, other than they inserted themselves starting after 2-3 days, they tried to profit off of a tragedy !

I hope NG is found very soon for the Guthries’ sake. And I hope the perps are found soon for LE/ FBI Closure, safety of Tucson citizens.

JMO

 

[Silverstorm]

Exclusive | Trump threatens kidnappers with death penalty if Nancy Guthrie isn’t returned alive in call with The Post

In a brief phone interview, Trump said he would instruct the Justice Department to seek the death penalty if the 84-year-old mother of NBC “Today” show host Savannah Guthrie is killed.

nypost.com

 

[SUNchips]

That would imply something more nefarious at the origination of this or an after the fact person attracted by the attention. My bet is LE thinks it's the first because of the public release of the internet search spikes.

We have to remember that there are like what 4-5 random notes that the family has seen that the public knows very little about. There could be private info about SG or AG or the kids or some type of threats in those letters that would make the family fear for their own safety. We just don’t know.

I think that’s a big piece of the puzzle we forget to take into account when judging the way the family is handling the situation right now. JMO

 

[Chypre]

Good point. What causes a media savvy woman to stay out of the spotlight when otherwise families in similar situations would be clamoring for the attention?

Attention for good behavior

 

[FaviousM]

It is obvious to me in the close-ups of Lantana man that he is wearing a silicone or similar type of mask under the ski mask. This quite clearly obscures and even reshapes his eyes. This also means that any facial hair observed is questionable as to its authenticity. I've attached two pictures from the video that are not enhanced in any way, only blown up and cropped. I've also attached an example of a real mask.

Thoughts?

JMO

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Example of a real mask:

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What's the source of these images?

 

[SaraSmile]

Not that anyone would expect a drop of kindness from the type of person who would kidnap somebody, especially an 84 year old woman, but..
Perhaps aware of NG and her family's strong faith in religion, would they, could they, leave her near a church or cemetery?
speculation, imo.

Great idea, I like the kernel of kindness idea.

Unfortunately, I think NG has passed ( probably first day), and wherever she was placed, I’m thinking slightly remote desert within 10 miles of crime scene, is where she will stay until found.

And almost no perps move the bodies, too much risk, even if they were struck with a moment of spiritual enlightenment.

I think if she was placed out in the open, near any public area or visible place, she would have been found by now.

JMO