AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[turaj]

Exclusive | Trump threatens kidnappers with death penalty if Nancy Guthrie isn’t returned alive in call with The Post

In a brief phone interview, Trump said he would instruct the Justice Department to seek the death penalty if the 84-year-old mother of NBC “Today” show host Savannah Guthrie is killed.

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And that helps how?

 

[Soccer Hooligan]

Your suggestion is altruistic, but I would never give away the rights to my DNA to anyone.
IMHO, you can read through the woes of 23andMe on Wikipedia to see what can happen when giving away your rights to your DNA: "...a valuable data mine for third parties such as health insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, advertising companies, biotechnology companies, law enforcement, or other interested parties. People may not actually be aware of how the company uses the data, and there are always risks of data breaches. Personal information of customers of 23andMe “may be accessed, sold or transferred”.

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And this and many other reasons is why I will NEVER do any of these dna websites. I really don’t care what my ancestry is and I’m not giving my bodily fluids to just anyone lol. Nope. Too many other things can be down with it that I didn’t want. JMO

 

[Jade]

It's beyond ridiculous. I live in the desert. You cannot dig without creating a huge racket. A metal shovel will be pinging off rocks and waking up every neighbor in the immediate area. Even the dumbest criminal on the planet wouldn't do something so foolish. Sheriff Nanos was getting bashed on social media for discouraging volunteer search parties and this is exactly why.

I'm not saying they should be doing it.


But they were not digging they were using a metal rod.

Wouldn’t they also live in the desert? That must be how they know how to do that to find their buried and murdered.


all imo

 

[Bluewing3102]

It is obvious to me in the close-ups of Lantana man that he is wearing a silicone or similar type of mask under the ski mask. This quite clearly obscures and even reshapes his eyes. This also means that any facial hair observed is questionable as to its authenticity. I've attached two pictures from the video that are not enhanced in any way, only blown up and cropped. I've also attached an example of a real mask.

Thoughts?

JMO

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Example of a real mask:

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I don't believe he was wearing a mask like this. It's often annoying to get the eye holes to line up right especially if you're planning to do physical activity like move a 150 lb woman. I genuinely just think this perp has really unique facial features

JMO

 

[Love Never Fails]

It's beyond ridiculous. I live in the desert. You cannot dig without creating a huge racket. A metal shovel will be pinging off rocks and waking up every neighbor in the immediate area. Even the dumbest criminal on the planet wouldn't do something so foolish. Sheriff Nanos was getting bashed on social media for discouraging volunteer search parties but this is exactly why.

I never thought of having to bury someone in the desert. So how does one get buried after their funeral? Just wondering.

 

[SaraSmile]

I'd love to know how intensely the cops questioned neighbors. Did they just chat for a few minutes at the door and ask for camera footage, or did they ask to take a look around the properties, 'just in case'? I know the prevailing theory is Nancy was taken away in a car, but she could be a few streets over or in the general area.

Going on memory, I think they talked to all the nearby neighbors, got video, and asked if they could search their yards. Nothing of interest was found so far. IMO

I really wish they could find the getaway car on a neighbors’ or street camera. This car might be seen on earlier dates, casing NG’s house. Since the crime was apparently premed, the criminal likely drove by, checked the best way out of neighborhood, even picked out a spot to place NG afterwards. Hard to believe there aren’t more cameras.

JMO

 

[Katrinepa]

And that helps how?

It doesn't. Just an attention getter. The Federal government has no say in state cases. Only federal. His interview with SG did not go his way, and she also interviewed Epstein survivors, creating enough awareness that at least some of the Epstein files were released, though Heavily redacted.

 

[wibbleflea]

It is obvious to me in the close-ups of Lantana man that he is wearing a silicone or similar type of mask under the ski mask. This quite clearly obscures and even reshapes his eyes. This also means that any facial hair observed is questionable as to its authenticity. I've attached two pictures from the video that are not enhanced in any way, only blown up and cropped. I've also attached an example of a real mask.

Thoughts?

JMO

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Example of a real mask:

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The usual argument against the presence of a face mask is that materials like silicone and latex reflect back more infrared that skin does in the near-infrared frequencies used for night mode. (NG’s camera was recording in night mode. The footage is monochrome and things get brighter as they approach the camera’s IR lamps.) That property causes a mask classed as hyper-realistic under visible light to appear lighter, less detailed and more washed out than real human skin.

In this case, though, there’s very little skin visible and very little of the mask visible. It makes it harder to judge because there’s not much to compare with – no neck, no ears. Most of the face/face mask is covered by the ski mask.

We do see bare wrists. The face doesn’t appear brighter, and that initially seems like an argument against the presence of a realistic face mask. But the wrists are closer to the IR source of the camera, while the face is further from it. That might balance things out (inverse square law).

Where do you think the border is between face and the soft face mask? Do you think the mask covers everything but the eyes and teeth?

 

[Shanz]

What would be the point of burying her? What would be the point of carting off a dead body? The answers to those questions shifts the investigation from a random botched kidnapping to something else

 

[FaviousM]

What would be the point of burying her? What would be the point of carting off a dead body? The answers to those questions shifts the investigation from a random botched kidnapping to something else

If the initial plan wasn't to abduct NG, maybe she scratched one of them or something and they didn't want to risk the DNA consequences of that so they took her with them. JMO

 

[submarine7]

The usual argument against the presence of a face mask is that materials like silicone and latex reflect back more infrared that skin does in the near-infrared frequencies used for night mode. (NG’s camera was recording in night mode. The footage is monochrome and things get brighter as they approach the camera’s IR lamps.) That property causes a mask classed as hyper-realistic under visible light to appear lighter, less detailed and more washed out than real human skin.

In this case, though, there’s very little skin visible and very little of the mask visible. It makes it harder to judge because there’s not much to compare with – no neck, no ears. Most of the face/face mask is covered by the ski mask.

We do see bare wrists. The face doesn’t appear brighter, and that initially seems like an argument against the presence of a realistic face mask. But the wrists are closer to the IR source of the camera, while the face is further from it. That might balance things out (inverse square law).

Where do you think the border is between face and the soft face mask? Do you think the mask covers everything but the eyes and teeth?

Hi contemplated whether the mouth was real, including the facial hair. To me his head is misshapen and I think that's also the mask.

 

[Shanz]

If the initial plan wasn't to abduct NG, maybe she scratched one of them or something and they didn't want to risk the DNA consequences of that so they took her with them. JMO

Why not just take her fingers? Easier than a whole body to dispose of

 

[SMK777]

If the initial plan wasn't to abduct NG, maybe she scratched one of them or something and they didn't want to risk the DNA consequences of that so they took her with them. JMO

The removal of her from the house is so difficult to figure out.

Could also be if she was injured or died in the home, from shock or a struggle, they might have hoped they would buy time by her not talking, or being viewed as having wandered off.

Unless they intended from the beginning to kidnap for ransom, but then couldn't provide proof of life.

 

[Stunned]

I have had this very thought. I used to tell my family anything like that that happened to me: nasty cashier, difficult neighbor, etc. But as I've gotten older, I refrain from telling them every little thing because I don't want them to worry about me. Maybe NG felt the same way. We don't want to be treated like children, especially by our children.

Excellent point! I really find myself telling my family less and less about my day. My sisters overreact to everything and the next thing ya know it's on the family thread!

 

[FaviousM]

Why not just take her fingers? Easier than a whole body to dispose of

With what? I doubt they planned for it and brought a pair of shears with them.

I'm not suggesting this is the actual reason for removing her either just a possibility, I personally believe she was still alive when she left the house judging by the blood pattern at the front door

 

[SMK777]

DBM

 

[Shanz]

The removal of her from the house is so difficult to figure out.

Could also be if she was injured or died in the home, from shock or a struggle, they might have hoped they would buy time by her not talking, or being viewed as having wandered off.

Unless they intended from the beginning to kidnap for ransom, but then couldn't provide proof of life.

Right. They could only buy time by leaving her alive is if she did not know them. If she’s in good health (except mobility) it seems odd she would drop in the first day of being abducted. Giving them time to get a ransom note off with a picture or something.

 

[SMK777]

 

[Shanz]

With what? I doubt they planned for it and brought a pair of shears with them.

I'm not suggesting this is the actual reason for removing her either just a possibility, I personally believe she was still alive when she left the house judging by the blood pattern at the front door

I’m sure she has knives in the house

 

[submarine7]

Has everybody written off both Swat raids as two mistaken raids? Two mistakes in a case that the world is watching unfold? Not likely