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I wonder why this information is just being released now?
This is insane. I watched a report and not only was it said the photos were all from the same night, it actually said the FBI manipulated the line no backpack photo to emphasize his clothing. Geez, this is crazy
 
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It's interesting that the photos were taken on different days. In his tweet, Kash Patel said that all the photos were taken on the morning that NG was kidnapped.

But them being taken on different days might explain the lack of shadows in one of them, (It also appears to be a thumbnail). I trust Brian Entin's sources.

JMO
Yes I was about to post that but got distracted. Seems like Mr. Patel told a fib.
 
  • #38,063
It's such a weird thing. He's there previously, so he should know about the camera. But when he returns he doesn't have a plan for it.
I suppose it's possible he got startled the first time and was not there long enough to see it?
 
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Well, all this explains why the shoes have always looked different (IMO/JMO). UNLESS, this backpack-less photo was taken on January 31 (after dark) and that's why two dates come into it. Again, JMO/IMO.
 
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Suspect visted Nancy Guthrie’s home before kidnapping​



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But are we SURE it's the same guy? Occam's razor says it would be, but I'm petty sure Occam wouldn't have thought an 84 year old lady would be stalked over multiple days in a perfectly safe neighborhood. Yep, could be same guy, different shoes/backpack/etc, different days. For me, though, something isn't right to match in the non-backpack picture, but it could be that the image is of far worse quality or an angle issue.
 
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Same "NIGHTTIME" different DATES.......like 11 thirty pm and 2 am. Maybe? jmo
but the 11 30 would be the 30th and then midnite hits and its the 31st .. I think this is what it is. He was there late Saturday nite, hiding. Not sure what time it got dark in Tuscon then, but its dark so would be after 11 for total dark??? I think he was hiding probably in the back, that is when he took out the floodlights ... but why did he not see the cam on top of the casita? If he cased in the daytime he would surely have looked around

Also don't forget that 2 days before she was kidnapped she had friends in for Mahong in her living room and someone the next day said the delivered her other stuff...never knew if she was home to accept it or they left it on porch. I always thought if they left stuff on the front porch that maybe she got excited and forgot to lock the doors back. I have done that numerous times at my front door because it's not often I get visitors
 
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This is looking like a premeditated, targeted attack on Nancy Guthrie, which I have thought all along..​

Suspect in Nancy Guthrie abduction appeared to visit her house before: Sources​


The masked man who is suspected of the abduction of Nancy Guthrie appears to have been at her front door earlier than Feb. 1, the night police believe she was kidnapped, sources familiar with the investigation told ABC News.

The image the FBI released of the suspect at her front door, without a backpack, was captured by her Nest doorbell camera on a day before the suspected abduction, the sources said.

The image the FBI released of the suspect at her front door, without a backpack, was captured by her Nest doorbell camera on a day before the suspected abduction, the sources said.





 
  • #38,069
It's such a weird thing. He's there previously, so he should know about the camera. But when he returns he doesn't have a plan for it.
Agree. Weird. I don’t think the perp initially realized the Nest was a doorbell camera. Nest doorbell cameras are thin and a bit long, kinda looks like a regular doorbell assembly, as opposed to ring or blink that are a bit bulkier. I think they thought the light fixture above them was a camera, until they saw a light come in from the Nest. moo
 
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all the article that mentioned the friend who took stuff to her was "they dropped off" certain things, I forget what items it was but it led me to believe they were birthday gifts. I think her birthday was the 27th???
 
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Hers is a Nest camera, if that makes any difference.
It might, I just tested mine right now (brr 12degrees outside). I don't see mine from the edge of my garage cement pad, only when I move closer. And of course, I know I'm looking right at my doorbell camera, so if I didn't know it was there I would probably be glancing around as I approached my door. I don't have any info about the Nest, but I think they all are similar. JMO
 
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This is looking like a premeditated, targeted attack on Nancy Guthrie, which I have thought all along..​

Suspect in Nancy Guthrie abduction appeared to visit her house before: Sources​


The masked man who is suspected of the abduction of Nancy Guthrie appears to have been at her front door earlier than Feb. 1, the night police believe she was kidnapped, sources familiar with the investigation told ABC News.

The image the FBI released of the suspect at her front door, without a backpack, was captured by her Nest doorbell camera on a day before the suspected abduction, the sources said.

The image the FBI released of the suspect at her front door, without a backpack, was captured by her Nest doorbell camera on a day before the suspected abduction, the sources said.





Wouldn't they have a date for this "prior visit?"
 
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It's such a weird thing. He's there previously, so he should know about the camera. But when he returns he doesn't have a plan for it.
Maybe it blended in with the somewhat wide-framed iron security door frame. JMO etc.
 
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but the 11 30 would be the 30th and then midnite hits and its the 31st .. I think this is what it is. He was there late Saturday nite, hiding. Not sure what time it got dark in Tuscon then, but its dark so would be after 11 for total dark??? I think he was hiding probably in the back, that is when he took out the floodlights ... but why did he not see the cam on top of the casita? If he cased in the daytime he would surely have looked around

Also don't forget that 2 days before she was kidnapped she had friends in for Mahong in her living room and someone the next day said the delivered her other stuff...never knew if she was home to accept it or they left it on porch. I always thought if they left stuff on the front porch that maybe she got excited and forgot to lock the doors back. I have done that numerous times at my front door because it's not often I get visitors
11 thirty would be late sat nite and 2 would be sun morning. 31st and 1st jmo
 
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IMO in the earlier pic the neckline on the jacket seems to sit lower than in the images we have of the perp smashing the cam.The fit of the jacket looks different, not as form fitting, hangs differently at the lower hemline and narrower in the hips and slimmer in the thighs. Also, black marks on shoes not visible in the other image but could be lighting.

MOO


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I see what you are saying. The non backpack guy seems to be a little rounder in the middle and may be making the jacket fit different? Those do look like different shoes to me.

Could these be two different people that just dressed the same?
 
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But are we SURE it's the same guy? Occam's razor says it would be, but I'm petty sure Occam wouldn't have thought an 84 year old lady would be stalked over multiple days in a perfectly safe neighborhood. Yep, could be same guy, different shoes/backpack/etc, different days. For me, though, something isn't right to match in the non-backpack picture, but it could be that the image is of far worse quality or an angle issue.

I think there is more involved in orders from someone

Because the sheriff is not talking, we don't know if someone else was already inside waiting for Nancy

And if someone else or others were down the back of the house, as there is no footage we have seen.

I would love to know if there was blood inside her house
 
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And asking for a friend ;) , I SWEAR I saw other pictures the first day these were released, but I didn't bother to download because I thought I could do it later. But when I went back, those images I thought I had seen were gone. Does anyone else recall seeing other images back at the beginning?
 

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